2011 NFL Draft

[MTK]

I think it's safe to say the media's perception and the internal perception from the players are night and day.

[SBXVII]

Here's just one point of view...

Shanahan's insistence on treating each player the same and playing the best players, regardless of contract or name, was widely embraced inside a locker room that was eager to change a structure that resulted in years of losing.

"The past few years, you had players cussing out the head coach, players doing whatever they wanted to do," Sellers said. "Now that doesn't happen anymore. There's no more prima donnas on the team. We're all just individuals trying to get one goal, and that's to win. It's a nice feeling to have."

[SmootSmack]

I think Tryon put it best when talking about what the Redskins environment used (emphasis mine) to be like

Redskins Insider - Justin Tryon says playing for Colts is 'night and day' difference from Redskins

Unfortunately it was also like that in 1997,1998,1999,2000,2002, and 2003 as well. not in 2001. I'm guessing not in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

[SBXVII]

Freddy, I didn't mean to single you out and some of what you said is true. Shanahan said right after the first McNabb incident he should have handled it differently. Honestly I don't have a problem with how it was handled. McNabb kept throwing dirt balls or over throwing his receivers. Did anyone think or get the feel McNabb would run our 2 min. drill like Payton Manning runs his? You'd be crazy to think so. Which is why I wondered why it took so long to use Grossman in the last 2 min. of any game previously. What I didn't think was right or fair was throwing in Grossman in the last 2 min. of a game when he has not taken very many reps with the starting team and not thrown a ball in a live game since preseason. It was unfair to Grossman to just throw him in and expect a miracle.

Now the real wonder is did either Shanahan mention to McNabb that he might be replaced for Grossman for the last 3 games and McNabb half listened or did they just seem to over look telling McNabb and made the change on Thurs. of that week? There is two sides to every story and all we've heard is McNabb's cause the Shanahan's are not talking about it.

As far as Haynesworth? I aplaud what they have done. Time to set examples.

[SmootSmack]

Luck's staying at Stanford

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

luck's staying at stanford

wow!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Luck's staying at Stanford

I wonder if Harbaugh is staying too.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Luck's staying at Stanford

That makes the draft wide open. Maybe if we still don't turn it around this year we can draft Luck next year!!!

[rbanerjee23]

Whatever, all these articles are nice but they are just words ... to be perfectly honest, I am not going to believe a word out of the players' or coaches mouths until we are a respectable team that makes a habit out of going to the playoffs. Till then, only one thing needs to be said:
2010-2011 Washington Redskins: 6-10

[SBXVII]

Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok my point is... the way some people are talking I get the feeling they want to simply blame MS for the whole debacle. Some people are saying the players are unhappy with how things were handled. Maybe they were, maybe they are not. All I'm saying is there are some players there that are happy with how things were being handled, so lets stop pointing fingers, lets get over the fact McNabb was handled wrong, and move on.

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same, I'm happy with how MS is punishing the players who don't want to practice or aren't performing. I think it's more the media is blowing things up more then it should be just to get reactions.

Really? I feel like it is completely the opposite. McNabb is the convenient public fall guy for 2010. I am am not even a McNabb fan, but I think he has taken more than his share of the blame.
Nobody else but Moss has stepped up to share in the blame or help deflect the blame. Where are the offensive lineman that blocked so poorly or the RB's that could not stay healthy? Or the defense that played most of the season ranked dead last? Quietly hiding?
Look at all the articles and what is being said in the media now that the season has ended. It has been overwhelming mentioning over and over again that McNabb did not live up to expectation (which is true) and that he no longer is wanted in DC, no second chance, see you later, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same

Accountability, I understand, but that does not mean treating everyone the same way....lets look at Redskins Superbowl winning teams.
Gibbs certainly did not treat his players the same way...he went way out of his way for problem children, such as riggins and manley and he let theisman run his mouth....all to make them feel important.
He could have just forced them all into 100% compliance but then Riggins would have never played, Theisman's mouth would literally explode from pressure build up and the Hogs would have never developed their pridefull subteam mentality.

Think back to Portis with Gibbs 2.0.
People say Gibbs ran him into the ground....
(I thought that was called maximizing talent )
Yes he did...and Portis was very effective AND very happy AND the Skins made the playoffs twice, with Brunell and Collins for heavens sake.
I can't think of a player that Gibbs came across that doesn't respect him.
He got them motivated because they WANTED to play for him...because he treated them Fairly AND as an individual.

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

With the Skins, it just seems that coaching "styles" go from one extreme to another which freaks out players. Not saying that a military style coach can't be effective...just saying that I think this style could leave a lot of unmotivated players

[jsnyder03]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by jsnyder03

I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!

I think where the difference in thought is some people expected more and got less, others don't like his "my way or the highway" mentality, and others feel you have to make exceptions to some players cause not all situations are alike.

keep in mind, first and formost, Snyder brought M.Shanahan in to be HC to not only coach the team but to instill discipline. Shanahan has even admitted that was part of the discussion between him and Snyder. So blame Shanahan all everyone wants but he was requested to do a job and is getting paid to do it. I'd think if Snyder had an issue with how his star players are being treated he would address it or fire Shanahan. I just think everyone is making a big deal about how certain players were handled during the season.

Remember when Caughlin was hired by the Giants? some players were grumbling, others accepted it. Look were it got them. Be on time to meetings or get fined. Practice hard or don't play on Sun. and anyone who doesn't like the program can leave.

[SFREDSKIN]

For the OL, they should look at this local guy that played for Stanford and looked pretty good.

Player Bio: Andrew Phillips - Stanford University's Official Athletic Site