2011 NFL Draft

[skinster]

Priorities
QB of future
DL
WR
OL

in that order...OL is only lower on the list because I know Shanny wont draft interior linemen high.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinster

Priorities
QB of future
DL
WR
OL

in that order...OL is only lower on the list because I know Shanny wont draft interior linemen high.

So K Williams and the injury prone Torain are the future at RB? Shanny offense is dependent on running the ball. And the 3-4 key position along the front 7 is NT. So my priorities in order:

1.NT
2.RB
3.WR
4.Interior Olineman
5.DE

Other areas: possible upgrade at Free Safety, possibility of replacing Carlos if he leaves which would be a huge setback, and drafting a replacement when McNabb leaves

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So K Williams and the injury prone Torain are the future at RB? Shanny offense is dependent on running the ball. And the 3-4 key position along the front 7 is NT. So my priorities in order:

1.NT
2.RB
3.WR
4.Interior Olineman
5.DE

Other areas: possible upgrade at Free Safety, possibility of replacing Carlos if he leaves which would be a huge setback, and drafting a replacement when McNabb leaves

As of right now there isn't a single Noseguard to be had before round 4 or 5 so I wouldn't really expect the draft to be a reliable source of prospects for the 3-4's most critical position. Then again the upcoming draft might give the Skins to take a guy like Mississippi's Jerrell Powe or Hamptons Kendrick Ellis in the later rounds.

Of course if history is any indication the best NT's usually come from the first two rounds (Kevin Williams, Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfolk, Haloti Ngata, and BJ Raji were all top half first rounders. Shaun Rogers, Jamal Williams, Terrance Cody, and Kris Jenkins were second rounders. Only Kelly Gregg, Jay Ratliff, and Aubrayo Franklin were second day picks).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

As of right now there isn't a single Noseguard to be had before round 4 or 5 so I wouldn't really expect the draft to be a reliable source of prospects for the 3-4's most critical position. Then again the upcoming draft might give the Skins to take a guy like Mississippi's Jerrell Powe or Hamptons Kendrick Ellis in the later rounds.

Of course if history is any indication the best NT's usually come from the first two rounds (Kevin Williams, Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfolk, Haloti Ngata, and BJ Raji were all top half first rounders. Shaun Rogers, Jamal Williams, Terrance Cody, and Kris Jenkins were second rounders. Only Kelly Gregg, Jay Ratliff, and Aubrayo Franklin were second day picks).

Yeah the list was general to the needs of the skins, whether its free agency or draft we need to do something at that position. Very glad you brought up Kendrick Ellis, thats the guy if we had to draft someone i would take. If he ended up being taken in the 3rd round by someone it would be no surprise.

[CultBrennan59]

Right now, if you ask me what are needs are from greatest to least, its:
Center
Guard
NT
CB
WR
DE
QB of the future

[Texanskin]

RT, C, RG.....i don't care...use the 1st two picks on OL!!!....we complain EVERY WEEK about the OL.....drafting anything but these positions is dumb IMO...and it is only MO. We have been drafting the ''best player available'' fo 10 yrs (except last yr)!!!! Eagles and giants go after the big uglies 1st....THEN skill players. That's why we get our butts kicked in the trenches six times a year. I lived in philly for 6 yrs...and no one pays attention to their drafts...why?? B/c there boring....by picking OL/DL all the time. Which is why they contend for nfc east champs every year...enough said for me...OL all the way....FA the skill until the lines are youthful with depth

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Texanskin

RT, C, RG.....i don't care...use the 1st two picks on OL!!!....we complain EVERY WEEK about the OL.....drafting anything but these positions is dumb IMO...and it is only MO. We have been drafting the ''best player available'' fo 10 yrs (except last yr)!!!! Eagles and giants go after the big uglies 1st....THEN skill players. That's why we get our butts kicked in the trenches six times a year. I lived in philly for 6 yrs...and no one pays attention to their drafts...why?? B/c there boring....by picking OL/DL all the time. Which is why they contend for nfc east champs every year...enough said for me...OL all the way....FA the skill until the lines are youthful with depth

I don't believe you need to draft an OL high just to say you did if he's not worth drafting high. In the past 10 years the Eagles have taken an OL in any of the first 3 rounds only twice, the Giants three times, and the Skins three times

[Texanskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't believe you need to draft an OL high just to say you did if he's not worth drafting high. In the past 10 years the Eagles have taken an OL in any of the first 3 rounds only twice, the Giants three times, and the Skins three times

I hear you.....I am concered because we are limited in our number of picks this year (1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th)...not addressing the OL (our most glaring need) is risky. If the talent pool is limited with OL...then draft one in the 1st round at least. It is hard for me to watch our OL suck every game for us NOT to address it....but i will concede my point IF and only IF there are NO steller OL when we pick (other than LT). I believe we may fall right in the middle of the pack (10-21) because we can only get to 10-6 after winning the rest of our games........ok im done....just have to wait and see now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Texanskin

I hear you.....I am concered because we are limited in our number of picks this year (1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th)...not addressing the OL (our most glaring need) is risky. If the talent pool is limited with OL...then draft one in the 1st round at least. It is hard for me to watch our OL suck every game for us NOT to address it....but i will concede my point IF and only IF there are NO steller OL when we pick (other than LT). I believe we may fall right in the middle of the pack (10-21) because we can only get to 10-6 after winning the rest of our games........ok im done....just have to wait and see now.

I'm picking up what you're throwing down. One issue is the FA OL class isn't that strong this year. Maybe Davin Joseph at G? So that may force our hand, or maybe next year Brown is healthy, Capers and/or Cook step up, and so on? Tough to say at this point, I agree we need to improve the line. Don't know if we need to throw all our draft eggs into the OL basket though.

The buzz at the moment is that have their eye on a LB in free agency. I haven't been able to figure out who that is though

[Texanskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm picking up what you're throwing down. One issue is the FA OL class isn't that strong this year. Maybe Davin Joseph at G? So that may force our hand, or maybe next year Brown is healthy, Capers and/or Cook step up, and so on? Tough to say at this point, I agree we need to improve the line. Don't know if we need to throw all our draft eggs into the OL basket though.

The buzz at the moment is that have their eye on a LB in free agency. I haven't been able to figure out who that is though

I hate to see london go (whenever it is time)....but we do have to address the middle/Inside LB position(not over OL as we already addressed...lol). HB Blades is not going to cut it......we need a Derrick Johnson/Al Wilson(before the neck injury). We have so many needs....i guess 10 years of ignorance will do that

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Texanskin

I hear you.....I am concered because we are limited in our number of picks this year (1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th)...not addressing the OL (our most glaring need) is risky. If the talent pool is limited with OL...then draft one in the 1st round at least. It is hard for me to watch our OL suck every game for us NOT to address it....but i will concede my point IF and only IF there are NO steller OL when we pick (other than LT). I believe we may fall right in the middle of the pack (10-21) because we can only get to 10-6 after winning the rest of our games........ok im done....just have to wait and see now.

i think we have six picks this year.

1st
2nd
5th
5th From Saints in Brown trade.
6th
7th

The Saints will get our 3rd pick for Brown and Eagles will get the 4th. Still not enough picks to build a team with young talent. Maybe if we can trade one or our TE's we could get a 3rd or 4th for one of them. Not many tradeable players on our team. IMO the only players that other teams may want are Cooley, Davis, Laundry, Orakpo, Trent Williams.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

i think we have six picks this year.

1st
2nd
5th
5th From Saints in Brown trade.
6th
7th

The Saints will get our 3rd pick for Brown and Eagles will get the 4th. Still not enough picks to build a team with young talent. Maybe if we can trade one or our TE's we could get a 3rd or 4th for one of them. Not many tradeable players on our team. IMO the only players that other teams may want are Cooley, Davis, Laundry, Orakpo, Trent Williams.

I think we get something for Tryon, from the Colts. Probably there 7th.

[Jontrem]

I just don't see us drafting an offensive linemen in the first round this year. I think we are solid at Tackles, obviously they need some improvement but I think they both have solid talent. Also lets remember that Shanahan does not often spend a high draft pick on offensive linemen. For fun here is a list of his drafts at Denver by year. I only included the name of the first rounders after that just their positions:

96-1st John Mobley LB, DB, RB, DL
97-1st Trevor Pryce DT, No other picks
98-1st Marcus Nash WR, DB, QB, RB
99-1st Al Wilson LB, DB, WR, RB
00-1st Delta Oneal CB, LB, DB, WR
01-1st Willie Middlebrooks CB, DL, DL ,OL
02-1st Ashley Lelie WR, RB, DL, DB
03-1st George Foster OL, LB, RB, DL
04-1st DJ Williams LB, RB, WR, DB
05-1st Darrent Williams DB, DB, DB, RB
06-1st Jay Cutler QB, TE, WR, LB
07-1st Jarvis Moss DE, DL, OL, DL

Ok so through the first 4 rounds of 12 drafts Shanahan has drafted exactly 2 offensive linemen and spent a first round pick on them only once. It has been stated many times that Shanahan prefers to draft his OL and RBs in the later rounds. Unless I am missing someone in College I cant think of a Free Safety worthy of a frist round pick. So I would guess, based on need and Shanahan's past tendencies that we go after a DL or WR in the first.

Of course this is assuming he will have a lot of input into who we draft. I am hoping he and Bruce Allen will work well together.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

I just don't see us drafting an offensive linemen in the first round this year. I think we are solid at Tackles, obviously they need some improvement but I think they both have solid talent. Also lets remember that Shanahan does not often spend a high draft pick on offensive linemen. For fun here is a list of his drafts at Denver by year. I only included the name of the first rounders after that just their positions:

96-1st John Mobley LB, DB, RB, DL
97-1st Trevor Pryce DT, No other picks
98-1st Marcus Nash WR, DB, QB, RB
99-1st Al Wilson LB, DB, WR, RB
00-1st Delta Oneal CB, LB, DB, WR
01-1st Willie Middlebrooks CB, DL, DL ,OL
02-1st Ashley Lelie WR, RB, DL, DB
03-1st George Foster OL, LB, RB, DL
04-1st DJ Williams LB, RB, WR, DB
05-1st Darrent Williams DB, DB, DB, RB
06-1st Jay Cutler QB, TE, WR, LB
07-1st Jarvis Moss DE, DL, OL, DL

Ok so through the first 4 rounds of 12 drafts Shanahan has drafted exactly 2 offensive linemen and spent a first round pick on them only once. It has been stated many times that Shanahan prefers to draft his OL and RBs in the later rounds. Unless I am missing someone in College I cant think of a Free Safety worthy of a frist round pick. So I would guess, based on need and Shanahan's past tendencies that we go after a DL or WR in the first.

Of course this is assuming he will have a lot of input into who we draft. I am hoping he and Bruce Allen will work well together.

Your forgetting about his 08 draft with Ryan Clady and our boy Lichtensteiger.

Plus your stats are WAYYY off of O-linemen taken under Shanny
1st rounders-Ryan Clady, George Foster
2nd-Lennie Friedman
3rd-Ryan Harris, Dan Neil
4th-Cooper Carlisle, Ben Hamilton, and our Very own Kory Lichtensteiger

I agree with you that we will for sure not draft an O-lineman this year though. We just got williams last year and traded for brown, who I'm sure we will keep around in hopes that his poor year this year was a result of coming off of surgery and getting used to the right side.

If Jake Locker drops (which I find to be unlikely considering the Cardinals, 49ers, Vikings are dying for a QB...plus the Panthers, Bengals, Bills, Browns all have a strong possibility of taking one), I would expect us to take him. His athleticism, arm, and the fact that he is coming from a losing program are all reminiscent of Jay Cutler, who Shanahan had a very good relationship with.

More realistically though, I think that we are going to get a D-lineman with our first pick considering that none of our starters are starting material (Haynesworth does not start...or even play that much).

The only other two positions I could see us taking with our 1st are WR and RB. I know Shanny is notorious for taking late round RB's, but I remember him saying that if Jay Cutler had not been there in 06, he would have take Maroney, which tells us he is willing to take a RB in the 1st. Our offense needs a jump start. RBs and WRs are known to be taken to get that spark. I think Mark Ingram is the most likely scenario for an offensive skill player player being picked. I predict us going either 6-10 or 7-9. This year I think that will put us in the 10-14 range. That seems too late for AJ Green and too early for any other WR.

If only somehow we could lose the rest of our games this year we would be better off. Yea it would hurt this year, but a 5-11 record will score us a nice offensive weapon (QB or AJ Green) that we could use for the next 12 years.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by skinster

Your forgetting about his 08 draft with Ryan Clady and our boy Lichtensteiger.

Plus your stats are WAYYY off of O-linemen taken under Shanny
1st rounders-Ryan Clady, George Foster
2nd-Lennie Friedman
3rd-Ryan Harris, Dan Neil
4th-Cooper Carlisle, Ben Hamilton, and our Very own Kory Lichtensteiger

Damn it, didnt include 08 because I am an idiot and forgot that he presided over that draft. Also with Carlisle instead of doing what I said and posting the first 4 rounds I posted the first 4 picks not rounds. I was working off of NFL Draft Tracker Denver Broncos, 1995 to 2010 - FF Today

My fault I should have used more than one source!!!