It's Talent, Not Coaching.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Gentlemen,
Bottom line...talent or coaching..chicken or the egg...or both.
I can not help but feel that if we had brought in a real stud defensive coordinator like a GWilliams or a Rex Ryan in last summer instead of Hasslets we would not be LAST in the NFL in defense ranking. You agree?
As you can tell from the day they announced his hiring, I have never been a Hasslett fan.
We are a premiere franchise in the NFL, we can do better than Hasslett.
Just saying.

Maybe... but I'm pretty sure we would still be 5-7.

We have two brilliant offensive minds on the offensive side, but that hasn't helped.

Our problem is talent.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Maybe... but I'm pretty sure we would still be 5-7.

We have two brilliant offensive minds on the offensive side, but that hasn't helped.

Our problem is talent.

My problem is not the 5-7 record, after all we were crap last season, especially on offense. My problem is our defense is not improving and is getting worse.
I will gladly concede 100% that the problem on offense is talent, especially on the O-line, RB and Wr. I have no problem with the Shanahan's when it comes to coaching the offense.
On defense, we have enough talent to be .500 team and our defense should play and be ranked in the middle to upper half of the NFL, not the bottom.
Hasslett is not getting everything he can from this defense.
We can agree to disagree.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

My problem is not the 5-7 record, after all we were crap last season, especially on offense. My problem is our defense is not improving and is getting worse.
I will gladly concede 100% that the problem on offense is talent, especially on the O-line, RB and Wr. I have no problem with the Shanahan's when it comes to coaching the offense.
On defense, we have enough talent to be .500 team and our defense should play and be ranked in the middle to upper half of the NFL, not the bottom.
Hasslett is not getting everything he can from this defense.
We can agree to disagree.

Well when the D is crap from the start and then you loose a few starters then it gets even crapper. They might not have been a great D but they where the starters for a reason.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well when the D is crap from the start and then you loose a few starters then it gets even crapper. They might not have been a great D but they where the starters for a reason.

You are talking about the 10th ranked defense from 2009 that Haslett inherited? Crap? No. Average..yes.
They did not get crappy until Hasslett rode into town.
The coaches selected the starters. See where I am going?
Coaches also decided to sit their best interior defensive lineman to prove a point and they are still pushing AH's head in the shit this late in the season rather than trying to make peace.
Coaches decided to stick with Andre Carter as a starter inot the 3rd or 4th week of the season when they clearly saw in all of preseason he was not going to cut it at OLB in the 3-4.
Moved an OLB (Rocky) inside.
Just once, can I see Rocky moved back to OLB and move Lorenzo Alexander moved inside where Alexander's size and strength might slow down some of those long runs right up the gut of our defense? If not, why not? Because of our coach says so? Hhmmm?
But then again you guys say it is definitely not the coaches.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are talking about the 10th ranked defense from 2009 that Haslett inherited? Crap? No. Average..yes.
They did not get crappy until Hasslett rode into town.
The coaches selected the starters. See where I am going?
Coaches also decided to sit their best interior defensive lineman to prove a point and they are still pushing AH's head in the shit this late in the season rather than trying to make peace.
Coaches decided to stick with Andre Carter as a starter inot the 3rd or 4th week of the season when they clearly saw in all of preseason he was not going to cut it at OLB in the 3-4.
Moved an OLB (Rocky) inside.
Just once, can I see Rocky moved back to OLB and move Lorenzo Alexander moved inside where Alexander's size and strength might slow down some of those long runs right up the gut of our defense? If not, why not? Because of our coach says so? Hhmmm?
But then again you guys say it is definitely not the coaches.

Even with the moves you propose, do you think the D would be radically different?

Obviously the coaches aren't absolved from all blame, but bottom line is we don't have the talent necessary to compete. The best coaching in the world isn't going to change that.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Even with the moves you propose, do you think the D would be radically different?

Obviously the coaches aren't absolved from all blame, but bottom line is we don't have the talent necessary to compete. The best coaching in the world isn't going to change that.

Even Football Outsiders more "advanced" stats has us in a freefall from last year as of 11/30/10.
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