Would it be practical to just (mostly) draft o-line this upcoming year

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

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Umm, I thought our draft looked like this...
1,2,5,6,7

#3 and #4 have been given away... to Philli for McNabb and N.O. for Brown. When did we pick up another 3rd?

Correct me if I'm wrong but currently I think we have:
1 - 2 - 5 - 2/6th - 2/7th

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

[/B]Umm, I thought our draft looked like this...
1,2,5,6,7
#3 and #4 have been given away... to Philli for McNabb and N.O. for Brown. When did we pick up another 3rd?

No, you're right i forgot about those.

Then in that case i would look to trade down but if we can't

1st round BPA DL or OL or LOLB

2nd round BPA opposite position side of the ball as 1st round pick

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This team needs 3 full years of solid drafting.

Yes, too many holes to fill in one or two years. It's going to take 3 full seasons + of good wise drafts and FA.

Yes, I would say if things match up well, if there's a offensive lineman available in the 1st we should take him. Or, if the best center - don't know who that is- is available at 2 we should take him.

MS knows, hell everyone knows our oline is horrible.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

one draft isnt going to do it alone. I think the O-Line is our biggest need for sure, but we have a horrible defense too. that side needs addressing i think more than the o line.

I agree. We are probably 3 solid drafts away from being on par with the rest of the NFC East in terms of talent.

[skinsfan69]

Gotta take the best player available. This theam is short on talent and we simply can not afford to draft for need.

[HolyLandSkinsFan]

yes, yes and yes. lets stop playing to win each season and try for a multi-year plan to build a sustainable winning franchise.

that starts with the o-line. a mediocre core of WRs, TEs, RBs and QB would be playoff material with an extra 2 seconds - and a stellar O-line can do that. None of the coaches over the last 10 years had the time to let their plays develop because the O-line was well coached, and hard working but undertalented.

on the other hand an all-star cast of WRs, RBs and QB would look like losers with lots of sacks and interceptions due to pressure if the O-line can't give them time.

I say, let the defense rot and go all out for a solid O-line this year. if we can sustain long running drives and pass the ball then our defense would look a whole lot better. they'd also be a lot less tired and stronger if they play less. our defense is actually fine this year - with moral down and too many injuries we get run all over the last few weeks. but before we had too many guys go down our D kept us in games and an O-line would have won it for us.

maybe al can play center

[Coff]

Originally Posted by HolyLandSkinsFan

yes, yes and yes. lets stop playing to win each season and try for a multi-year plan to build a sustainable winning franchise.

that starts with the o-line. a mediocre core of WRs, TEs, RBs and QB would be playoff material with an extra 2 seconds - and a stellar O-line can do that. None of the coaches over the last 10 years had the time to let their plays develop because the O-line was well coached, and hard working but undertalented.

on the other hand an all-star cast of WRs, RBs and QB would look like losers with lots of sacks and interceptions due to pressure if the O-line can't give them time.

I say, let the defense rot and go all out for a solid O-line this year. if we can sustain long running drives and pass the ball then our defense would look a whole lot better. they'd also be a lot less tired and stronger if they play less. our defense is actually fine this year - with moral down and too many injuries we get run all over the last few weeks. but before we had too many guys go down our D kept us in games and an O-line would have won it for us.

maybe al can play center

But a great QB wins in either of those situations; and we need to start thinking long term with that position. If an undervalued quarterback is available at any point, we should consider drafting him.

[mooby]

I think as a team you go for the BPA, but luckily for us we have so many holes there's a decent chance the BPA could fill one of those holes. The only spots on this team that I wouldn't use our first round pick on are CB, TE, and FB, because nobody ever drafts a FB in the first round even though we need help there too. I think at the end of the year we might be looking at a 6-10 or 7-9 record which could place us anywhere between 5th and 15th.

[SBXVII]

Personally I'd go;

1st round: RT. shore up the right side.
2nd round: Center. shore up the 3 main spots LT, Center, RT, and thats half the problem. Plus it's easier to fill the LG and RG spots with lesser talent.

5th round: NT. plus look at FA.
6th round: FS.
7th round: LB. Plus look at FA.

Did we pick up an extra 4th round pick? not sure

Then I'd go hard after Vince Jackson, and TJ Houshmendzadeh since they are FA's after this year. If there are any other WR's with talent available I'd look into them also.

I'd bring in as many UFA OL, LB, FS, and who knows maybe a NT.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Personally I'd go;

1st round: RT. shore up the right side.
2nd round: Center. shore up the 3 main spots LT, Center, RT, and thats half the problem. Plus it's easier to fill the LG and RG spots with lesser talent.

5th round: NT. plus look at FA.
6th round: FS.
7th round: LB. Plus look at FA.

Did we pick up an extra 4th round pick? not sure

Then I'd go hard after Vince Jackson, and TJ Houshmendzadeh since they are FA's after this year. If there are any other WR's with talent available I'd look into them also.

I'd bring in as many UFA OL, LB, FS, and who knows maybe a NT.

The draft is not a shopping list. You take whatever is going to be a "success" over the "need" and risk a greater chance of failure.

Also, NTs tend to be high round picks. Three stud NTs in the league are first rounders. Those NTs are Wilfork, Hampton, and Raji. Shaun Rogers was a second rounder.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The draft is not a shopping list. You take whatever is going to be a "success" over the "need" and risk a greater chance of failure.

Also, NTs tend to be high round picks. Three stud NTs in the league are first rounders. Those NTs are Wilfork, Hampton, and Raji. Shaun Rogers was a second rounder.

Jay Ratliff was a 7th rounder.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Jay Ratliff was a 7th rounder.

Yeah, but he is a penetrator. Garay was a journeyman before San Diego salvaged him. Aubrayo Franklin seemed to have panned out from the start. While it's great if we do land a stud NT in the late rounds, other measures need to be taken to make sure the position is filled because for every stud, there's a lot more scurbs floating around. Late round picks in general are a crapshoot, and even moreso for a hard-to-find position in growing demand.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The draft is not a shopping list. You take whatever is going to be a "success" over the "need" and risk a greater chance of failure.

Also, NTs tend to be high round picks. Three stud NTs in the league are first rounders. Those NTs are Wilfork, Hampton, and Raji. Shaun Rogers was a second rounder.

Any of those 3 a FA this yr?

I really don't know. Fine pick a NT if it makes you happy. It still doesn't help our OL giving the QB time to throw or making holes for the RB. Any chance at all Shanahan and Alex Gibbs can make amends and bring him on board to work his magic with the OL? I was just not excited with our OL coach prior to him being here or now that he is.

Depending on what players we can bring on board from FA I still might go after a RT and C. But if we pick one up in FA then I might switch up and pick a NT high and pick a late round RT or C. Our problem (I feel) is we just don't have the players to run Shanahan's style of zone blocking or cut blocking. I saw very little cut blocking especially recently.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Any of those 3 a FA this yr?

I really don't know. Fine pick a NT if it makes you happy. It still doesn't help our OL giving the QB time to throw or making holes for the RB. Any chance at all Shanahan and Alex Gibbs can make amends and bring him on board to work his magic with the OL? I was just not excited with our OL coach prior to him being here or now that he is.

Depending on what players we can bring on board from FA I still might go after a RT and C. But if we pick one up in FA then I might switch up and pick a NT high and pick a late round RT or C. Our problem (I feel) is we just don't have the players to run Shanahan's style of zone blocking or cut blocking. I saw very little cut blocking especially recently.

You pick the damn stud player over the need player every time because the stud player is sure to be with you 5+ years down the road while the "need" player is likely a reach and more prone to failing, in which case you then have to draft for need once again in a future draft. For example, we "needed" big WRs, we grabbed two extremely risky WRs with red flags. We bombed on them. We could have had more "sure things" like DeSean or Eddie Royal OR stayed in the 1st for round just grabbed Chris Johnson, Sam Baker, etc.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You pick the damn stud player over the need player every time because the stud player is sure to be with you 5+ years down the road while the "need" player is likely a reach and more prone to failing, in which case you then have to draft for need once again in a future draft. For example, we "needed" big WRs, we grabbed two extremely risky WRs with red flags. We bombed on them. We could have had more "sure things" like DeSean or Eddie Royal OR stayed in the 1st for round just grabbed Chris Johnson, Sam Baker, etc.

Wouldn't be surprised at all to see us make a play for Royal. It's been kind of rumored for a few months now

As for Jackson, he was far from a "sure thing"