Big Al suspended for the remainder of season

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Pockets Straight may have weeped today. I know he is/was a big AH supporter.

I mean, I can understand the suspension, the guy has been a plague all season, but there's no denying when he was healthy, had his head in the game and was actually utilized, he was a force. Unfortunately, times like that were few and far between.

Better luck somewhere else, big guy.

In all seriousness, when has he been a force in the Burgandy and Gold?

He had one great year when he was motivated in Tennesse...he has shown nothing to indicated he can help this team. Defense ranked in the 30s with him "playing" this year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

In all seriousness, when has he been a force in the Burgandy and Gold?

He had one great year when he was motivated in Tennesse...he has shown nothing to indicated he can help this team. Defense ranked in the 30s with him "playing" this year.

Maybe she meant farce? lol

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

In all seriousness, when has he been a force in the Burgandy and Gold?

He had one great year when he was motivated in Tennesse...he has shown nothing to indicated he can help this team. Defense ranked in the 30s with him "playing" this year.

Thats why I said when he plays. How many games has he started? Exactly. I think the guy has the ability to be good, he's just too much of a head case and a money chaser. We took a chance on a big name with a bad rep and it bit us in the ass. Time to cut our losses and keep it moving.

[Bushead]

Man. What an interesting turn of events.

He wasn't happy last year in the "type" of 4-3 the skins ran and he sure wasn't happy with this faux 3-4 they run now. There is such a gap of difference between him and other professionals. I understand not being happy in the system, but he was everything to be "his" way. Just look at his comments on the radio show:

"I want to show how I can play. They paid me this money, let me play like I played in Tennessee. I will show you. I made a lot of plays in Tennessee; I can do the same thing here. All you got to do is take off the dadgum leash and let me loose and you will see how great I am."

I understand a player wants a defense to play to his strength, but it seems Haynesworth wants 10 other guys to do what they are suppose to while he can do whatever he wants. I'm sure other defensive players would like to be doing something else (like Andre Carter), but you haven't heard anything from them.

Fletcher would never say I expect to blitz on 75% of all downs because that's what I like to do. Haynesworth just isn't a team guy.

[Jontrem]

Sad that it came to this, but easily predictable

[CRedskinsRule]

I tend to drink a lot of KoolAid, so I know many will say I am being a ridiculous homer, but I understand and support the way this was handled.

You have a rare talent, a guy who could be elite, but who, as Terl showed in his blog I quoted, also a guy who has given half a** attempts, and belittled nearly every coach and scheme he has had. I have no doubt that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan would NOT have brought AH in. They didn't bring in Peppers, they didn't bring in VJax or TO or other possible headaches. So let's be clear on some facts:

1) AH was the past FO's hire, Not BA/MS
2) During MS' year off, he decided he was going to implement the 3-4 D wherever he goes, because it is in his eyes the better D.
3) AH has a level of talent, that when applied could be elite
4) AH never has had a full season where he applied himself game in and game out.
5) AH got a lot of money
6) MS told AH upfront that if he took the bonus, this is what was expected.
7) AH took the money
8) MS is the Head Coach
9) AH is not.

I think those are the underlying facts, now, how you want to handle that situation, maybe it goes differently, but I doubt it. I think MS had to be tough and not give in, for the sake of the Team. I think giving away a talent like AH is a very difficult move, and the cost benefit analysis probably reflects the tough decision. For the right value I think you trade him, but for the wrong value, ie too little, why give another team his service this year? Sure you won't get much or anything now, but a 4th isn't a comparable trade value. So you really are stuck trying to make it work out in a situation where no one has a good reason to give ground.

For culture purposes, this should put to rest any notion that the Skins are a come and not give effort type club. That's a good thing.

I don't really care about the money - its not mine.

I had hoped that AH would show up - he didn't.

A 4-3 may have gotten us how many more wins? not enough to justify AH's behavior.

If a defensive change was to be made - this was the year to do it.

In the end, I just want the Redskins to make sane hiring decisions, the lunacy just needed to end.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I tend to drink a lot of KoolAid, so I know many will say I am being a ridiculous homer, but I understand and support the way this was handled.

You have a rare talent, a guy who could be elite, but who, as Terl showed in his blog I quoted, also a guy who has given half a** attempts, and belittled nearly every coach and scheme he has had. I have no doubt that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan would NOT have brought AH in. They didn't bring in Peppers, they didn't bring in VJax or TO or other possible headaches. So let's be clear on some facts:

1) AH was the past FO's hire, Not BA/MS
2) During MS' year off, he decided he was going to implement the 3-4 D wherever he goes, because it is in his eyes the better D.
3) AH has a level of talent, that when applied could be elite
4) AH never has had a full season where he applied himself game in and game out.
5) AH got a lot of money
6) MS told AH upfront that if he took the bonus, this is what was expected.
7) AH took the money
8) MS is the Head Coach
9) AH is not.

I think those are the underlying facts, now, how you want to handle that situation, maybe it goes differently, but I doubt it. I think MS had to be tough and not give in, for the sake of the Team. I think giving away a talent like AH is a very difficult move, and the cost benefit analysis probably reflects the tough decision. For the right value I think you trade him, but for the wrong value, ie too little, why give another team his service this year? Sure you won't get much or anything now, but a 4th isn't a comparable trade value. So you really are stuck trying to make it work out in a situation where no one has a good reason to give ground.

For culture purposes, this should put to rest any notion that the Skins are a come and not give effort type club. That's a good thing.

I don't really care about the money - its not mine.

I had hoped that AH would show up - he didn't.

A 4-3 may have gotten us how many more wins? not enough to justify AH's behavior.

If a defensive change was to be made - this was the year to do it.

In the end, I just want the Redskins to make sane hiring decisions, the lunacy just needed to end.

you said a lot in your post but the last sentence sums up the situation as a whole.

i was just talkin with someone about all the big name free aganets we have come across in the past and everytime we thought we named them all we thought of another one. i'd say all in all this was the worst of them all but there are some very close runners up, i just hope he is the last, atleast for a year or two :cheeky-sm

[Alvin Walton]

Finally they axed this turd.
Hall-a-freaking-loo-ya!
AFAIC he's polluted the team and is partially responsible for the lousy season we are having.
GTF outa DC fat boy!

[SolidSnake84]

LEAVE ALBERT ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Sorry guys that was my best chris crocker impression. And no i m kidding. I never was on AH's side...

[SFREDSKIN]

Someone tweeted this on Adam S. website, I like the #1 pick but not VY.

RT @Robertissogreat: during offseason, trade Vince Young & 1st rd pick to skins for mcnabb & haynesworth. EVERYBODY'S HAPPY! ... Not Tenn.

[freddyg12]

I can't criticize MS too much for this one, though he may've been too stubborn at some point, I don't know enough. From the outside it appeared that MS tried to make it work & AH also tried some too. MS was in a difficult position because of the $ that DS paid for AH & because he's the best DT in the game when he's really playing.

If they don't get anything for him, that's ok, I think it had to happen like this due to these factors. I think most agree here that Allen & MS would've never brought him here.

One way, maybe the only way, they can trade him is by packaging him w/another player & making the deal contingent upon it. I don't know who that player or players might be.

[SFREDSKIN]

Good article:

Shanny's winning formula: Prevail over players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good article:

Shanny's winning formula: Prevail over players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

The problem is that Shanahan’s teams aren’t winning. Worse, Shanahan has turned a good asset in Haynesworth into a worthless property. Instead of either trading Haynesworth before the season or at some point before the deadline in October – when the Redskins could have presumably received a second-round pick for him – opposing teams will now wait until Washington cuts Haynesworth this offseason.

Nobody was offering a 2nd rd pick for him, otherwise he would have been outta here.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good article:

Shanny's winning formula: Prevail over players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

What was good about that article? It was a national blogger channeling talk radio speak in an article riddled with opinion, untruths (2nd round pick?) and broad sweeping shots at the organization. Not to be a defender but anyone who thinks we could have gotten a 2nd round pick and didn't, uses Jake Plummer, Ashlie Lelie and Daryl Gardner as comparative figures, doesn't understand the CBA enough to recognize that a 4 game suspension is the max and there was no point in doing it earlier in the season and who thinks that the real reason the suspension was timed was because A) Shanahan needs an diversion coming off of the Giants loss or B) that he was miffed that Al won't talk to him really has no business writing anywhere.

[MTK]

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