Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I dont find his level of play disgusting. It's not THAT bad....but i think as redskins fans, we have kind of gotten used to poor play at QB, except for in 05 with Brunell, and 07 with Collins..

I think Donovan is exactly what most people figured he would be on this team..a good leader who is able to still do some things, but is past his best and best used in a role where he starts for a year or 2 while another QB watches from the bench until he is ready..

While they played good it was nothing that impressive.

[over the mountain]

i think mcnabb is doing pretty well given the circumstances. after years and years of an anemic passing offense, we finally have a QB who is trying and capable of making the big pass play.

yeah i wish he was more accurate on throws, i wish the receivers and TEs caught the catchable balls, but McNabb has brought something to our offense we havent had in a very very longtime . . .an actual passing attack that stretches the field.

i blame most of our offensive woes and shortcomings on not being able to establish the run. like shanny said before the reg seasona nd after seemingly every loss, this offense is predicated on establishing the run. we did it in tenn, controlled the ball, won the game. we dont run the ball, control the clock . . .we get out of sync.

personally i like what mcnabb brings to the table, actual ability to pass down field. weve been looking for that for a 10 plus years now.

[Alvin Walton]

Our OL is crap.
Anything McNabb can do to stay upright and in possession of the ball after the snap is a bonus. If we had a + average OL then you could evaluate him.

[horse]

I believe he's played alot better since the benching, he moved the ball against the titans, the vikings, and giants we just started dropping balls. He's on pace for a career year in yards. He's gonna have a couple times a game he makes you scratch your head, but he is not the problem here.

[skinsguy]

Let's think realistically for a second. Jason Campbell was/is a talented player who has the physical abilities. Overall good guy and decent football IQ. If we had held on to Campbell this year, I wouldn't have been upset in the least.

However, the biggest knocks I could see on Jason Campbell, were the inability to be consistent with reading defenses, not taking a lot of chances down field (although that could have been more of a system thing,) and he's just not a leadership type of guy. Great guy though, team player, model citizen.... but I don't see him ever truly being a Warren Moon, Peyton Manning, or a Drew Brees. Definitely not a field general.

Donovan McNabb, on the other hand, has those leadership qualities. Mostly because he's had experience in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, but he's a proven winner. He also has a lot more confidence in his arm than what I saw of Campbell here. He takes more shots downfield (again, could be a system thing but anyway,) and for the most part, he's good at reading defenses and he makes more good decisions than bad.

Both QBs have faced similar situations. No offensive line, no running game, new systems, and a team that doesn't know how to win. The real deal will be comparing the two when the supporting casts are upgraded.

All in all, I still believe we upgraded by going with Donovan McNabb even though it doesn't appear so this season.

[Longtimefan]

When it's all said and done maybe all we need to do is heed the advice of our owner and exhibit a little patience. This about a man who can tell you a thing or two about patience...........he he

Redskins' owner urges patience in trying season

[freddyg12]

Ultimately, I think the level of frustration w/this original post & w/us in general is that we now have a 'franchise qb' yet he's made his share of mistakes & we only have 1 more win than last year so far. i.e., we had expectations for McNabb.

In addition, like JC in 08, he had a winning record for a short time & things seemed to be on the upswing until Detroit. These last four games are pretty important for this team, but especially for McNabb. If he ends w/a bang, we'll be back to our unrealistic expectation havin selves this spring when the draft rolls around!

[12thMan]

I'm not holding my breath on McNabb and wouldn't expect him to improve at this stage in his career. I could see a scenerio where he improves marginally based on the talent around him and being more comfortable within the system, but that's about it. Look, McNabb has been an NFL pro for a decade, so whatever NFL system he's playing in, new or not, won't dramatically improve his ability to read defenses or the mechanics of his game. They are what they are. He does look he could shed about 5 to 10 pounds though.

I guess the real question is did we get hosed on the deal? On that front it's probabloy too early to tell, but my gut as well as what I've seen from MC5 thus far tells me we got the short end of the stick. McNabb isn't too much different from Jason Campbell in that he'll do a few things well enough to string you along for another two or three games.

What I do know about McNabb is that he's not putting this franchise on his shoulders this year or next and carrying them to the promise land.

[12thMan]

Don't get me wrong, leadership and moxy are important and something this team has lacked for years at the QB position, but at some point you've got to be more talented than the guy across from you. Sometimes you just have to line up and knock him flat on his ass, down after down. Sometimes your quarterback has to plow through that safety or juke his ass out of his cleats for that first down.

[over the mountain]

9th overall in passing for the entire NFL people. 9th . . . let that sink in.

with a crappy O line, injured rookie LT, new scheme, new coaches, UFAs platooning at runningback we are 9th in passing. and he isnt getting his passing yards on the dink and dunk YAC crap JC did, hes doing it through the air on big plays.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

9th overall in passing for the entire NFL people. 9th . . . let that sink in.

with a crappy O line, injured rookie LT, new scheme, new coaches, UFAs platooning at runningback we are 9th in passing. and he isnt getting his passing yards on the dink and dunk YAC crap JC did, hes doing it through the air on big plays.

WOW, If you would have asked me where I think we rank in passing I would have said some where in the Twenties. Thats impressive for what our Offense is made of.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

9th overall in passing for the entire NFL people. 9th . . . let that sink in.

with a crappy O line, injured rookie LT, new scheme, new coaches, UFAs platooning at runningback we are 9th in passing. and he isnt getting his passing yards on the dink and dunk YAC crap JC did, hes doing it through the air on big plays.

the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.

Just don't tell that to Atlanta...

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.

Haven't really noticed the NFL being awful this year?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.

So one bad division means the entire league is awful?

Sorry not buying that.