Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

[over the mountain]

umm okay . . . . doesnt change the fact that our passing attack is currently the best it has been in quite a long time. since we are ranked 9th overall in the league, it doesnt matter if the NFL is having a "god awful" year or not, its all relative. we are 9th in passing in a "god awful" year then. so what? there are 23 teams in that same "god awful" league that our worse than us in passing. i dont get your point. maybe if we played in the NFC west but i think your just trying to hold onto the darkness. some people can only be comfortable if they are miserable.

i think our current ranking is a reflection of 1) mcnabb's ability to create/constantly look for the big play and 2) our new coaches.

we have anthony armstrong as our no 2 receiver, let that sink in! mcnabb was credited for making no-name receivers productive in philly, now he is doing the same thing here. imo mcnabb has lived up to what i had hoped and expected of him. yeah, he has some accuracy issues but his good outweighs the bad imo.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

umm okay . . . . doesnt change the fact that our passing attack is currently the best it has been in quite a long time. since we are ranked 9th overall in the league, it doesnt matter if the NFL is having a "god awful" year or not, its all relative. we are 9th in passing in a "god awful" year then. so what? there are 23 teams in that same "god awful" league that our worse than us in passing. i dont get your point. maybe if we played in the NFC west but i think your just trying to hold onto the darkness. some people can only be comfortable if they are miserable.

i think our current ranking is a reflection of 1) mcnabb's ability to create/constantly look for the big play and 2) our new coaches.

we have anthony armstrong as our no 2 receiver, let that sink in! mcnabb was credited for making no-name receivers productive in philly, now he is doing the same thing here. imo mcnabb has lived up to what i had hoped and expected of him. yeah, he has some accuracy issues but his good outweighs the bad imo.

It's all relative, LOL, I was going to say the exact same thing bro... I figured I'd give you the chance to respond first since you were quoted.

[Defensewins]

Can someone change the title to this thread? I am absolutely disgusted with the title.

[30gut]

Lets be honest.
Our passing game is not better.
Yards is probably the least meaningful metric in terms of measuring the quality of a passing offense.

We're a few 3rd down conversions away from converting the fewest 3rd downs in the past 40 years in the NFL, that my friend is not good.
Our passing offense this year is worse then last year in all the meaningful metrics:
YPA, RZ conversion %, the already mentioned 3rd down conversion, QB rating, comp %.

If you think having more yards is more important then the other stats then we see offense very differently.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

All in all, I still believe we upgraded by going with Donovan McNabb even though it doesn't appear so this season.

I would feel so much better if he steps it up down the stretch.
I was expecting McNabb/Kyle to at least match the passing game production from last year.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lets be honest.
Our passing game is not better.
Yards is probably the least meaningful metric in terms of measuring the quality of a passing offense.

We're a few 3rd down conversions away from converting the fewest 3rd downs in the past 40 years in the NFL, that my friend is not good.
Our passing offense this year is worse then last year in all the meaningful metrics:
YPA, RZ conversion %, the already mentioned 3rd down conversion, QB rating, comp %.

If you think having more yards is more important then the other stats then we see offense very differently.


I would feel so much better if he steps it up down the stretch.
I was expecting McNabb/Kyle to at least match the passing game production from last year.

thats a good post right there. my main issue if we are comparing this year to last was that almost every passing play was no more than 3 yds from the LOS, with most yards (i think almost 70%) came from YAC, which placed JC way way ahead of the rest of the pack. plus all the garbage yards JC and our offense picked up last year. if a team was up by 2 scores by halftime, they were shutting it down in terms of agressiveness, playing conservative, making them march down the field offense.

with completion percentage, qb rating (which i stopped really considering) i think a dink and dunk offense gives you go numbers but where are you? right back to where we were before gibbs II after the 1st season, looking for an offense that can stretch the field to eliminate the 8 man box. enter lloyd and ARE.

we finally finally have a "stretch the field" passing attack after so many years of putting our run game against 8 man boxes, i like it. i see it as a step into the modern nfl offense.

woot woot posting on the weeknight!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

we finally finally have a "stretch the field" passing attack after so many years of putting our run game against 8 man boxes, i like it. i see it as a step into the modern nfl offense.

Just as long as we chuck it deep everything is fine with you?
Silly things like i don't know converting 3rd downs or RZ production are less important then total passing yards?
Are you Rex Grossman?

BTW-I'm not disgusted w/ McNabb's play but how can you honestly claim this years passing offense is better then last years?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Just as long as we chuck it deep everything is fine with you?
Silly things like i don't know converting 3rd downs or RZ production are less important then total passing yards?
Are you Rex Grossman?

BTW-I'm not disgusted w/ McNabb's play but how can you honestly claim this years passing offense is better then last years?

i dont see how you can say our passing attack is worse than last year. im not saying as long as we chuck it deep we are fine. but over the past 10 years we have had been trying to find a deep passing attack to stretch the field and stop teams from stacking the box.

we finally have that. im enjoying that small aspect of improvement i have seen from our team. me being happy about that small part doesnt mean i dont think we have alot of other areas to improve upon. its a silver lining type thought. not everything is broken with the new coaches, scheme and qb.

[SirClintonPortis]

I know I was all giddy for McNabb this offseason that the hard drives hosting this forum want the space back.

HOWEVER, all that optimism was that we were finally going to get a running game and thus make McNabb more useful without having him to throw 30+ times every stinking time to win games. He CANNOT carry the O by himself and do something like lead the team down the field by converting short pass after short pass like many of the truly elite QBs and to-be great-to-elite QBs can.

He's not a complete QB anymore, and it's arguable he never was because of his poor performance in the short passing game when guys like Brian Westbrook are not helping him out. I'm not absolutely disgusted with his play, but his play has been very underwhelming.

[SmootSmack]

It was time for Campbell to go, and I don't know whatbthe Raiders possibly backing into the playoffs has to do with anything.

We should have kept Chase

[Hog1]

THE O LINE has to be fixed first...and foremost. Without it and welcome to Detroit. WITH it and you will be amazed at how much better everybody else on the Offense becomes......including #5
Theismann....Williams....Rypien...etc

[skins89moss]

You Redskin fans are always crying about the QB last season most of you were crying about JC being a bad QB. Now some of you where excited about McNabb coming here and week 14 you are crying again. Look this team needs to rebuild we are old and slow on defense. On offense we need a #1 RB and WR. We need a better O-line to open holes and pass protect for D-Mac. This is his 1st year and D-Mac is not a great QB he can get the job done with a good back and pass protection for next season. I'm also tired of fans saying last years defense was som good and a they were in the top 10 defense. So what we were 4-12 and when our sorry offense did get the lead in the game our #10 defense could not get a stop when we needed it to win the game. The 3-4 can work when we get some younger and faster LB's and D-Line who are agile and can rush the passer. We also have to stop the run better or teams will not have to pass. This team has alot of work ahead this off season. So stop crying and man up or get off the band wagon and root for another team.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

You Redskin fans are always crying about the QB last season most of you were crying about JC being a bad QB. Now some of you where excited about McNabb coming here and week 14 you are crying again. Look this team needs to rebuild we are old and slow on defense. On offense we need a #1 RB and WR. We need a better O-line to open holes and pass protect for D-Mac. This is his 1st year and D-Mac is not a great QB he can get the job done with a good back and pass protection for next season. I'm also tired of fans saying last years defense was som good and a they were in the top 10 defense. So what we were 4-12 and when our sorry offense did get the lead in the game our #10 defense could not get a stop when we needed it to win the game. The 3-4 can work when we get some younger and faster LB's and D-Line who are agile and can rush the passer. We also have to stop the run better or teams will not have to pass. This team has alot of work ahead this off season. So stop crying and man up or get off the band wagon and root for another team.

You do not rebuild by tossing away picks. EVER. You weaken the team and gain picks by trading still-effective vets and suck for 3 or so year. You target a "Top dog" player like Guy Lafleur or Alex Ovechkin and primarily use the draft to get your future stars. After you build a core, then you bring in some inexpensive leaders.

[skinsfaninok]

Yea if you are a redskins fan that shows your loyal lol we have been so bad for years and years.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yea if you are a redskins fan that shows your loyal lol we have been so bad for years and years.

Right, Who the heck would deliberately put themselves through the embarrassment of being a fake Redskins fan. Hard enough being a real Redskins fan.

Although I do wear a Jets Jersey under my Skins Jersey just in case

[GusFrerotte]

Our line sucks bud period, not to mention that our WR corp is still suspect. Armstrong is showing some potential, but we need another piece or make that two in our WR puzzle to give DM a bit more help. I like Santana a lot, but he isn't what he used to be, so we need to think about his replacement.