Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by irish

DM has no running game, terrible WRs and a crummy O line so its tough to look good or make anything happen. DM is past his prime but if he had some weapons he'd be playing much better.

Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions. And before you call me crazy remember this is a team thats ranked 32nd in rushing. Their starting Left Tackle is a 6th round pick who's playing next to an undrafted free agent LG that was so good, we decided to cut him during his rookie year. Not to mention their receiving corps is going down faster then the Lusitania. Imagine what would happen if that description matched the Skins personnel.

Now obviously we can't expect McNabb to put up a 90 plus rating with some of the problems we've had on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm pretty sure we can expect a passer rating above 80. Especially considering the system he's in as well as the fact that he does have a decent receiving corps.

Usually a good QB can cover up a lot of deficiencies. I hate to break it to everyone but we're not going to have a line that reads top 5 pick, 2nd rounder, 1st rounder, big name free agent, 1st rounder. Fortunately we might be able to patch up the receiving corps through free agency and take it to the next level but still. I certainly expected better then 12 TD passes especially given all the red zone opportunities this team has had.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions.

Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.

If McNabb was still on Philly I don't think he would be putting up the numbers that Vick is. Vick actually throws a better ball and is more accurate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If McNabb was still on Philly I don't think he would be putting up the numbers that Vick is. Vick actually throws a better ball and is more accurate.

Would they still be winning though? I think so.

[30gut]

I'm not disgusted but I'm concerned.
I never thought that he would play this poorly.
Imo he turns down far too many move the chain type passes to force the ball into tighter coverage or just to chuck it deep.
He's boom or bust on a team who's solve chance for offensive success hinges on efficiency.
I keep waiting for McNabb to snap out of it and I'm still waiting for Kyle to run the ball more and use or personnel better and create mis-matches that make the McNabb's read more well defined.

I believe that right now McNabb is indeed holding the offense back.
The question is back from what? League average or better?

But if not McNabb then who?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Would they still be winning though? I think so.

I do think they would have a winning record, but I dont think he'd be playing at the level Vick is right now. Vick really was a significant upgrade to McNabb in may ways....

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.

When the Colts offense struggles they usually come back the next week with a vengeance. 14 points against the Chargers produced a season low for them the next week they put up 35 points. We on the other hand have posted less then 20 points in 8 games this season including the last 3 games.

And to make matters one of the games that we did manage to put up over 20 points was thanks to the fact that Banks gave us a TD Return against the Lions not to mention the fact that Banks has given our offense plenty of chances to work with a short field. So with that our offense has failed to post more than 20 points in 9 games this season.

We've also had two games won by defensive scores (Dallas and Chicago).

Originally Posted by firstdown

While they played good it was nothing that impressive.

Strongly disagree with that statement as it relates to Collins. Collins played lights out during that late season playoff run posting a QB rating of 106. It would have been higher had it not been for the terrible winds at Giants Stadium during his second start.

We were also in position to beat Seattle during the playoffs.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions. And before you call me crazy remember this is a team thats ranked 32nd in rushing. Their starting Left Tackle is a 6th round pick who's playing next to an undrafted free agent LG that was so good, we decided to cut him during his rookie year. Not to mention their receiving corps is going down faster then the Lusitania. Imagine what would happen if that description matched the Skins personnel.

Now obviously we can't expect McNabb to put up a 90 plus rating with some of the problems we've had on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm pretty sure we can expect a passer rating above 80. Especially considering the system he's in as well as the fact that he does have a decent receiving corps.

Usually a good QB can cover up a lot of deficiencies. I hate to break it to everyone but we're not going to have a line that reads top 5 pick, 2nd rounder, 1st rounder, big name free agent, 1st rounder. Fortunately we might be able to patch up the receiving corps through free agency and take it to the next level but still. I certainly expected better then 12 TD passes especially given all the red zone opportunities this team has had.

Peyton has been in that system for over 10 years. How can u compare us to Indy.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions. And before you call me crazy remember this is a team thats ranked 32nd in rushing. Their starting Left Tackle is a 6th round pick who's playing next to an undrafted free agent LG that was so good, we decided to cut him during his rookie year. Not to mention their receiving corps is going down faster then the Lusitania. Imagine what would happen if that description matched the Skins personnel.

Now obviously we can't expect McNabb to put up a 90 plus rating with some of the problems we've had on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm pretty sure we can expect a passer rating above 80. Especially considering the system he's in as well as the fact that he does have a decent receiving corps.

Usually a good QB can cover up a lot of deficiencies. I hate to break it to everyone but we're not going to have a line that reads top 5 pick, 2nd rounder, 1st rounder, big name free agent, 1st rounder. Fortunately we might be able to patch up the receiving corps through free agency and take it to the next level but still. I certainly expected better then 12 TD passes especially given all the red zone opportunities this team has had.

It is pretty evident that the "lack" of a rushing attack for the Colts THIS YEAR is more because they don't have to rather than they don't want to. The Colts are able to get 5 yard chunks often enough to keep defense honest from selling out against the pass. We are not able to do that.