Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Damn expensive bridge if you ask me. I think when the season is finally over, people will still ask, and rightfully so, are we that much better off now that Jason Campbell is no longer here and Donovan McNabb is the Redskins' quarterback. Especially if the Raiders back into the playoffs or sniff a winning record.

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

I wasn't referring to the money, but rather the draft picks we gave up for what, thus far, has been a very underwhelming Donovan McNabb.

As far as JC goes, as long as McNabb continues to have sub-par performances, I think the Jason Campbell discussion will always have some relevance to Skins fans.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wasn't referring to the money, but rather the draft picks we gave up for what, thus far, has been a very underwhelming Donovan McNabb.

As far as JC goes, as long as McNabb continues to have sub-par performances, I think the Jason Campbell discussion will always have some relevance to Skins fans.

Yeah I agree with you here. We are not in the position to give up picks, that has got to stop.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 44ever

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

He's a bridge to nowhere. There's a whole host of second rounders who already have panned out this year that we could have used long after McNabb would be gone. Terrence Cody, Nate Allen, hell, even reaching for Jared Veldheer would have benefited us more than McNabb.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Look at starting QBs in the NFC this year and ask yourself if Donovan McNabb is better or worse than his peers - - in 2010. His "Peers" are QBs who have been starters on NFC teams in 2010...

Philly:
Michael Vick - - better than DM
Kevin Kolb - - not better than DM

Dallas:
Tony Romo - - not better than DM
Jon Kitna not better than DM

NY Giants:
Eli Manning - - better than DM

Atlanta:
Matt Ryan - - better than DM

New Orleans:
Drew Brees - - better than DM

Carolina:
Jimmy Claussen - - not better than DM
Brian St. Pierre - - not better than DM (he DID start for the Pantloads this year)

Tampa:
Josh Freeman - - PUSH with DM

Green Bay:
Aaron Rodgers - - better than DM

Detroit:
Matt Stafford - - not better than DM
Shaun Hill - - not better than DM
Drew Stanton - not better than DM

Minnesota:
Brett Favre - - not better than DM

Chicago:
Jay Cutler - - PUSH with DM (better the last 4 games; not as good the first 8 games)

SF:
Alex Smith - - not better than DM
Troy Smith - - not better than DM
David Carr - - not better than DM

St. Louis:
Sam Bradford - - better than DM

Arizona:
Derek Anderson - - not better than DM
Max Hall - - not better than DM

Seattle:
Matt Hasselbeck - - PUSH with DM


In the NFC there have been 24 starting QBs counting DM. 6 are better;
3 are a PUSH; 14 are not better. That makes him solidly ABOVE average.

I could do this for the AFC too but it would probably come out the same.

The bottom line is that Donovan McNabb is not the best QB in the league or the conference - - but it would have been abjectly stupid to count him as such on the day the Redskins traded for him. He is better than a majority of his peers - - his peers are other players who have started at QB in 2010.

Back in the spring of 2010, the Skins had three choices; (1) they could keep Jason Campbell as the QB; (2) they could trade for a QB who had NFL experience or (3) they could draft a QB. Shanahan clearly did not want to stick with Campbell so trade or draft were the REAL options.

Look at some of the QBs who changed teams last year:

McNabb
Delhomme
Anderson
Troy Smith
Rosenfels
Losman
Quinn
Bulger
Sorgi
Leinhart
[and probably a couple of others too]

Which QB on that list of "available via trade/free agency' would you want on your team in 2010? If you say anyone other than McNabb you just have not been paying attention...

There was NO WAY the Skins could have drafted Sam Bradford. So, which other rookie QB is lighting it up in the NFL this year to the point that you would say he is better than Donovan McNabb right now? Colt McCoy is a possibility but he has really only played 3 games. Tim Tebow? Max Hall, John Skelton, Rusty Smith?

Am I disgusted with McNabb's play in 2010. HELL NO!!

Could he play better? OF COURSE!

Could the Skins be worse off at QB? YOU BET!

Was there a better option available to the Skins for 2010? NO...

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

In the NFC there have been 24 starting QBs counting DM. 6 are better;
3 are a PUSH; 14 are not better. That makes him solidly ABOVE average.

I could do this for the AFC too but it would probably come out the same.

The bottom line is that Donovan McNabb is not the best QB in the league or the conference - - but it would have been abjectly stupid to count him as such on the day the Redskins traded for him. He is better than a majority of his peers - - his peers are other players who have started at QB in 2010.

Back in the spring of 2010, the Skins had three choices; (1) they could keep Jason Campbell as the QB; (2) they could trade for a QB who had NFL experience or (3) they could draft a QB. Shanahan clearly did not want to stick with Campbell so trade or draft were the REAL options.

Look at some of the QBs who changed teams last year:

McNabb
Delhomme
Anderson
Troy Smith
Rosenfels
Losman
Quinn
Bulger
Sorgi
Leinhart
[and probably a couple of others too]

Which QB on that list of "available via trade/free agency' would you want on your team in 2010? If you say anyone other than McNabb you just have not been paying attention...

There was NO WAY the Skins could have drafted Sam Bradford. So, which other rookie QB is lighting it up in the NFL this year to the point that you would say he is better than Donovan McNabb right now? Colt McCoy is a possibility but he has really only played 3 games. Tim Tebow? Max Hall, John Skelton, Rusty Smith?

Am I disgusted with McNabb's play in 2010. HELL NO!!

Could he play better? OF COURSE!

Could the Skins be worse off at QB? YOU BET!

Was there a better option available to the Skins for 2010? NO...

We could have traded Campbell even if we didn't get McNabb.

Our lower draft position thanks to McNabb harms us.

The opportunity cost of the second rounder may look a win for this year, but a Terrence Cody would be providing more than 0 utility three years from now.

Also, I wouldn't say Romo is worse than McNabb. He's a PUSH at worst. Shanahan loves Romo btw.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44ever

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

Thing is, you can isolate the offenses from the rest of the team, and ours is worse this year than it was last year. Not much worse. Just a little bit, and the difference is entirely in the passing game.

The defense has been a problem. It was average last year, it was average this year until the bye week. It's been bad since. It was never improved, but that would have been a lofty expectation, given that we didn't invest anything in it between 2009 and 2010.

We made all of our investments (McNabb, Trent Williams, Jammal Brown, Artis Hicks, Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway, Roydell Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger) on the offensive side of the ball. That's the side we were planning on making a significant improvement. It didn't, so you should probably figure out what went wrong. Why hasn't McNabb played like he did in Philly? Why hasn't Artis Hicks been the starting lineman we thought? Who thought Joey Galloway could still play? etc.

The defense is its own animal. It's badly underachieved the last four games, particularly against the run. But we didn't invest anything there so things were more prone to go wrong on that side of the ball (additions: Buchanon, Carriker, Kemoeatu). The troubling thing about the season is on the offensive side, where we've been no better, and would rank probably 30th in points if not for the contributions of one Brandon Banks.

We actually released Banks prior to the Rams (Texans?) game, if you'll remember. That's how much we were expecting to need his contributions.