Is it finally time to rebuild??

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I agree. Tight end is one of the few positions (it may be the only position) where we have legitimate depth. We need youth period. Looking at our starting defense last week and the fact that they are probably going to 18 games makes the strategy of trying to win a championship with an old team obsolete.

If we were offered a 4th for Cooley, I would take it tomorrow.

I wouldn't take a 4th.. he was drafted in the 3rd and we'd give him up for less than that. 4th rounder is a project lineman or LB or something, Cooley definitely has more value than that I think. We'd need a player and a 4th. I don't like the idea of getting anything less than a 2nd or very high 3rd though I doubt many teams are willing to give up a 2nd.

[Meks]

Not buying trading cooley, i honestly don't even think we'd get in return what he's worth to us, especially when I look at other teams and the te's they already have

[MTK]

I think the perceived downfall of Cooley has been greatly exaggerated. Even with last week's miserable first half he still has 72 catches on the year (2nd highest total of his career) and 796 yards (also 2nd highest total of his career). He also has 9 catches of over 20 yards, the most he's had since 2007.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the perceived downfall of Cooley has been greatly exaggerated. Even with last week's miserable first half he still has 72 catches on the year (2nd highest total of his career) and 796 yards (also 2nd highest total of his career). He also has 9 catches of over 20 yards, the most he's had since 2007.

These are good stats but nothing special, especially since Cooley is the first or second passing option. As the first or second option he should have over a 1000 yards and approach double digit touchdowns. Cooley just isn't capable of those numbers, not here anyway.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

These are good stats but nothing special, especially since Cooley is the first or second passing option. As the first or second option he should have over a 1000 yards and approach double digit touchdowns. Cooley just isn't capable of those numbers, not here anyway.

Not sure why you're hating on the guy. As Matty pointed out, he's still putting up very solid numbers and at 28 is still in his prime. You're so convinced Davis is better- let me ask you- given his track record this year, do you really think Shanahan would hesitate to bench Cooley for a better player?

Cooley isn't an elite TE, but he's definitely well above average, and to call him the 4th or 5th best TE in the division is just silly. Boss isn't better. Neither is Celek (who has an MVP candidate at QB and isn't doing a whole lot). Witten is better than Cooley, but IMO that's about it in the NFC East.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not sure why you're hating on the guy. As Matty pointed out, he's still putting up very solid numbers and at 28 is still in his prime. You're so convinced Davis is better- let me ask you- given his track record this year, do you really think Shanahan would hesitate to bench Cooley for a better player?

Cooley isn't an elite TE, but he's definitely well above average, and to call him the 4th or 5th best TE in the division is just silly. Boss isn't better. Neither is Celek (who has an MVP candidate at QB and isn't doing a whole lot). Witten is better than Cooley, but IMO that's about it in the NFC East.

I am frustrated with him because he is killing drives. He had a horrible game against Jax but he has been dropping key balls (drive extending balls) all year. He is becoming a problem instead of a solution, he isn't getting any younger and he is overpaid. From my viewpoint, Davis is always open (Rex missed an easy TD to him last game) and is a younger, cheaper alternative who would be just as productive if not more so.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am frustrated with him because he is killing drives. He had a horrible game against Jax but he has been dropping key balls (drive extending balls) all year. He is becoming a problem instead of a solution, he isn't getting any younger and he is overpaid. From my viewpoint, Davis is always open (Rex missed an easy TD to him last game) and is a younger, cheaper alternative who would be just as productive if not more so.

Honestly, you're digging at this point.

Yeah he's had some drops, but overall his numbers still stand up with the top guys in the league at his position. Plus he's been asked to block more than ever this year, which he's done a great job at too.

Just to note, Davis is a free agent after next year. So let's assume you trade away CC and FD steps in and has a nice year. Then he's going to be commanding a contact just as big, if not bigger, than the one CC has right now.

For the record I'm not against the idea of trading Cooley if the price is right. I'm just amazed/confused at how some of you talk down on the guy like he's trash and not a top TE.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

These are good stats but nothing special, especially since Cooley is the first or second passing option. As the first or second option he should have over a 1000 yards and approach double digit touchdowns. Cooley just isn't capable of those numbers, not here anyway.

It's really not common for TE's to top 1000 yards.

A little perspective here: his 72 catches is 2nd among all TE's behind Witten with 90.

His 796 yards is 3rd among all TE's behind Witten and V. Davis.

I think some of you are really undervaluing him.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's really not common for TE's to top 1000 yards.

A little perspective here: his 72 catches is 2nd among all TE's behind Witten with 90.

His 796 yards is 3rd among all TE's behind Witten and V. Davis.

I think some of you are really undervaluing him.

Good post. And those are good numbers for anyone in an offense as lame as ours. Imagine if we had any consistency with a coaching staff and QB? Cooley has already been to a few pro-bowls, and he'll probably see a few more before he's done in this league. Not spectacular, but a very, very solid player.

[bigmarley4]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Good post. And those are good numbers for anyone in an offense as lame as ours. Imagine if we had any consistency with a coaching staff and QB? Cooley has already been to a few pro-bowls, and he'll probably see a few more before he's done in this league. Not spectacular, but a very, very solid player.

Cooley is a much better blocker and twice as smart as Davis. I'd trade Davis in a heartbeat for anything above a 4th round pick.

[SolidSnake84]

I really dont know what to do with McNabb. Trading him seems the most likely scenario, but i wonder what his perceived value is out there now that two coaches (Reid, Shanahan) have essentially given up on him as a starter.

I would think that best-case scenario, McNabb fetches a 4th round pick from a desperate franchise. (Only Oakland comes to mind, possibly Arizona). At worst he gets a 5th round that we might could use to find an offensive lineman. I think Linemen are the skins' most pressing need after basically being ignored for the past few seasons.

I don't know Portis' contract situation. I think this year was his final year, so I dont know if he could be traded. I guess its possible that Portis could be resigned at a lower price so that he could be a backup, but i am just guessing at this point. I also don't think Shanahan is very happy with CP right now because of his comments (Jeez who would have figured he'd mouth off again).

I just hope we can do something through the draft. That's what we've been missing for a decade now. This team under Snyder has never drafted that great, it's always been big money, aging free agents.

I do think Shanahan is changing the culture though. Before he arrived, and even with Gibbs to a certain degree, the highest paid player was played, regardless of his ability (or lack thereof). Now it seems like we are finally trying to put the best players on the field, regardless of their contracts...

[MTK]

Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk

anyone interested?

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk

anyone interested?

Yes please! I'd take him as competition for Armstrong/3rd receiver in a heartbeat.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk

anyone interested?

Would you prefer Breaston, Jacoby Jones (with Kyle in Houston) or Braylon Edwards?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Would you prefer Breaston, Jacoby Jones (with Kyle in Houston) or Braylon Edwards?

Plan A: Vincent Jackson or AJ Green with a Moss extention

Plan B: Breaston and Jackson/orGreen

Either option is fine with me with our recievers. Just want Armstrong to return with both options.