Rex Grossman may start this Sunday

[12thMan]

I'm not so sure Mort broke this anyway, Grant Paulson was talking about it over an hour ago. Anyway, I'm not convinced that McNabb is Kyle's guy and reportedly McNabb isn't all that fond of him, not that he has to be. But I wouldn't be stunned if McNabb was taking snaps elsewhere next year.

Are you all in?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm not so sure Mort broke this anyway, Grant Paulson was talking about it over an hour ago. Anyway, I'm not convinced that McNabb is Kyle's guy and reportedly McNabb isn't all that fond of him, not that he has to be. But I wouldn't be stunned if McNabb was taking snaps elsewhere next year.

Are you all in?

Of course, cause of his relation to Logan, first redskin w/a pony tail to score a td.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm not so sure Mort broke this anyway, Grant Paulson was talking about it over an hour ago. Anyway, I'm not convinced that McNabb is Kyle's guy and reportedly McNabb isn't all that fond of him, not that he has to be. But I wouldn't be stunned if McNabb was taking snaps elsewhere next year.

Are you all in?

I don't know who broke it, but I heard it on the 12pm SportsCenter. Probably around 12:15-12:30 was the first I heard Mort mention it.

I know this, if McNabb isn't on the roster next year, I'll be blasting Shanahan for this disastrous trade. If we he's not back in B&G, the first signature move of his regime will be repeating the EXACT same behavior that has doomed this franchise for a decade. Not good.

Side note- does anyone think we're going to go into Dallas and win this week? If I had to guess, we get throttled pretty good, regardless of who is taking snaps for us. We're a hot mess right now.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know who broke it, but I heard it on the 12pm SportsCenter. Probably around 12:15-12:30 was the first I heard Mort mention it.

I know this, if McNabb isn't on the roster next year, I'll be blasting Shanahan for this disastrous trade. If we he's not back in B&G, the first signature move of his regime will be repeating the EXACT same behavior that has doomed this franchise for a decade. Not good.

Side note- does anyone think we're going to go into Dallas and win this week? If I had to guess, we get throttled pretty good, regardless of who is taking snaps for us. We're a hot mess right now.

It's possible they both broke it within minutes of each other. I'm starting to not even care what Shanny does to be honest. I swear, I just don't care for the guy.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It's possible they both broke it within minutes of each other. I'm starting to not even care what Shanny does to be honest. I swear, I just don't care for the guy.

I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard ).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard ).

Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.

Yeah Matty I don't think it's just draft picks or having a good track record. Let's face it, we've brought in a ton of guys with sterling track records that have been utter failures here. Heck, Vinny Cerrato nailed some really good picks for the Skins.

Shanahan just doesn't seem to be on his game for all the dough he's getting. I get the sense that he's disciplined and tough, but not really on his game. There's no other way around it. I think when people try to figure out what's needling Redskins fans, the first thing they say is we're impatient or this guy needs time, etc. Shanahan bought in a bunch of retreads at RB, shuffled the oline all season long, and has been up and down with McNabb. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Really, there hasn't been all that much difference between him and Jim Zorn if you ask me. If you strip away the Super Bowl trophies, no reasonable person could convince me there has been any improvement at all. For $7 mil per year, I expected a little more.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that he and Kyle are just tinkering with the team on the fly.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yeah Matty I don't think it's just draft picks or having a good track record. Let's face it, we've brought in a ton of guys with sterling track records that have been utter failures here. Heck, Vinny Cerrato nailed some really good picks for the Skins.

Shanahan just doesn't seem to be on his game for all the dough he's getting. I get the sense that he's disciplined and tough, but not really on his game. There's no other way around it. I think when people try to figure out what's needling Redskins fans, the first thing they say is we're impatient or this guy needs time, etc. Shanahan bought in a bunch of retreads at RB, shuffled the oline all season long, and has been up and down with McNabb. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Really, there hasn't been all that much difference between him and Jim Zorn if you ask me. If you strip away the Super Bowl trophies, no reasonable person could convince me there has been any improvement at all. For $7 mil per year, I expected a little more.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that he and Kyle are just tinkering with the team on the fly.

Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?

The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.

McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.

He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game"? Seriously?

Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.

No shit, people always want to bring the negatives out, the Guy is a damn good coach and he WILL make folks eat their words in WSH.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

No shit, people always want to bring the negatives out, the Guy is a damn good coach and he WILL make folks eat their words in WSH.

YES, you are correct!

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard ).

i could not agree with you any more, it is the EXACT same way i feel. i missed two home games this year, first time in atleast 7 years, and it really didn't matter. this has been a really weird year as a fan, it's hard to describe it, i just feel numb towards the team. i hope some how this really does work out, but i really just don't see it happening.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard ).

For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.

Here's a column by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.

Here's a column by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...

And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.

Looked to be a pretty good mix of both offensive and defensive selections. Are they future Hall of Famers? Maybe not, but the point is, Mike Shanahan isn't the outright worthless talent evaluator people make him out to be.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know who broke it, but I heard it on the 12pm SportsCenter. Probably around 12:15-12:30 was the first I heard Mort mention it.

I know this, if McNabb isn't on the roster next year, I'll be blasting Shanahan for this disastrous trade. If we he's not back in B&G, the first signature move of his regime will be repeating the EXACT same behavior that has doomed this franchise for a decade. Not good.

Side note- does anyone think we're going to go into Dallas and win this week? If I had to guess, we get throttled pretty good, regardless of who is taking snaps for us. We're a hot mess right now.

Mmmhmm. But, at least there's still hope he's here by then. But, there's no hope of getting rid of his balls in the dirt. Or his periodic inaccuracy.
(Boy, that came out wrong. hehehe)

BTW, I'm pretty sure it's safe to project Nate Allen as having a higher ceiling than Kareem Moore.

Oh, I'm sure Dallas will pull a Philly/NY combo. By that, I mean they destroy us in EVERY FACET of the game. Even Buehler goes perfect.