Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[44 70 chip]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

It's amazing when you think about the days before the internet and sports fan message boards.

you mean back when fans like us just shouted long strings of invective laced analysis at the TV screen? Instead of arguing with each other about it?

[Arrrgh!]

The same 3-ring circus as always. I don't have any great hopes for tomorrow, but I admit I'm curious to see how Rex fares.

[SFREDSKIN]

While Shanahan is at it, he might as well trade this year and next year's draft for Andrew Luck. Why not since the house is being cleaned thoroughly.

[skinsfaninok]

John Clayton said this morning on SC that Shanny could try and make a move for jay cutler, I doubt Chicago trades him even though he hasn't played that great. I'm all for drafting a rookie but I think luck is the only day 1 starter. Like I said yesterday I wouldn't mind seeing orton here

[sportscurmudgeon]

Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy?

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day...

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"

A. Joey Galloway - - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

B. Albert Haynesworth - -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together.

C. Donovan McNabb - - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively.

3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low?


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick?


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5.


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


R You In?

[skinsfaninok]

^ good post and yes I'm in and always will be for my redskins! I've said since day 1 I trust Ba/Ms to turn this around. Im not happy with the Mcnabb situation but shit happens

[Fan033]

I don't think McNabb's been getting the job done this year. It seems like he throws an awful lot of passes in the ground. However, he's not the total reason for the Redskins' failure. We haven't had a good running game, a good offensive line, a reliable kicker....plus our defense has given up tons of points.

No matter who's to blame, Shanahan's handling of both Haynesworth and McNabb, leaves an enormous amount to be desired.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy?

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day...

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"

A. Joey Galloway - - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

B. Albert Haynesworth - -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together.

C. Donovan McNabb - - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively.

3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low?


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick?


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5.


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


R You In?

I don't think it was any big secret from the start, Allen is the GM but Shanahan has the final say when it comes to football decisions. MS is also the team president if you recall.

Despite this season there will be a few teams with interest in McNabb. Miami, Minnesota, San Fran, Arizona, etc. Someone could give up a 4th or a 5th.

Someone could give up a 5th or 6th for AH, probably the Titans. Probably some sort of conditional pick based on performance.

Rex could end up the starter next year, but only until a rookie is ready by mid-season or so.

The #2 QB takes snaps in practice with the first team and is probably more directly involved with the game planning. The #3 usually runs the scout team.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy?

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day...

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"

A. Joey Galloway - - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

B. Albert Haynesworth - -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together.

C. Donovan McNabb - - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively.

3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low?


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick?


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5.


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


R You In?

Is it not just...........mediaspeak for the masses?
Here's my line-up with the QB's this week blah, blah, bla, etc.
Would you be happier if McInt were number #2? If so....why?
I don't get all the "Grassy knoll" conspiratorial analysis?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy?

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day...

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"

A. Joey Galloway - - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

B. Albert Haynesworth - -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together.

C. Donovan McNabb - - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively.

3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low?


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick?


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5.


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


R You In?

Number 2 qb prepares more for the game then the number 3 qb. MS is saying he does not need to see anything else from NcNabb which could mean he is thinking about his back up or he is looking to see if we have ayone who could be our #1 qb next year. I think thats the question no one knows the answer to.

[Bucket]

I dont know why everyone is hating on Rex Grossman. Yeah, the guy did poorly for a couple year in Chicago, but inmy opinion the Chicago Bears were worse off on the offensive side of the football then we are now back then.

Mcnabb has played BELOW Average this year. He has missed several WR's. Underthrown several more. Anthony Armstrong should have atleast 2-3 more TD's this year. Moss was wide open last week in the endzone waiting for the pass, and this has happen week in, an week out. If this was J.C. everyone would be screaming for the backup, or if it was Brunell a few years ago. Everyone would be sceremaing for the backup.

Mcnabb just doesn't fit this offense. I would think it would take him 3-4 years to learn it. He can't even run the WHOLE offense yet. I mean we always talk about how predictable we are on offense. Alot of it has to do with not being able to run half the playbook.

I'm excited to see what Grossman can do. Maybe him earning his roster spot will put some fire under him, and make him perform at a top level. I mean he can't get any worse then Mcnabb has been this year.

I don't really want to hear about the "talent" level we have. There has been several times like in Philly pt. 1. Where we ran the ball for over 120 yards, but Mcnabb still couldn't find open WR's down the field, and it wasn't because they were not open. Its because he didn't even find them.

The week before last it was 3rd and 5, and Armstrong right a flat pattern out of a trips set, and was wide open for atleast 15 yards in front of him, and Mcnabb had plenty of time but threw it into double coverage LOW to Cooley. 70% of the time Mcnabb is throwing low to our WR's so they never get any yards after the catch. They ahve to catch it off the ground like Moss's catch last week that was ruled incomplete because it was 2 yards behind him and low.. I mean.. That's a 15 yard pass to and OPEN WR.

I'm excited about tomorrow. I wanna see what Rex can do. If anything it makes us younger at the QB position, and if he does well it could give us some stability for a change.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I dont know why everyone is hating on Rex Grossman. Yeah, the guy did poorly for a couple year in Chicago, but inmy opinion the Chicago Bears were worse off on the offensive side of the football then we are now back then.

Mcnabb has played BELOW Average this year. He has missed several WR's. Underthrown several more. Anthony Armstrong should have atleast 2-3 more TD's this year. Moss was wide open last week in the endzone waiting for the pass, and this has happen week in, an week out. If this was J.C. everyone would be screaming for the backup, or if it was Brunell a few years ago. Everyone would be sceremaing for the backup.

Mcnabb just doesn't fit this offense. I would think it would take him 3-4 years to learn it. He can't even run the WHOLE offense yet. I mean we always talk about how predictable we are on offense. Alot of it has to do with not being able to run half the playbook.

I'm excited to see what Grossman can do. Maybe him earning his roster spot will put some fire under him, and make him perform at a top level. I mean he can't get any worse then Mcnabb has been this year.

I don't really want to hear about the "talent" level we have. There has been several times like in Philly pt. 1. Where we ran the ball for over 120 yards, but Mcnabb still couldn't find open WR's down the field, and it wasn't because they were not open. Its because he didn't even find them.

The week before last it was 3rd and 5, and Armstrong right a flat pattern out of a trips set, and was wide open for atleast 15 yards in front of him, and Mcnabb had plenty of time but threw it into double coverage LOW to Cooley. 70% of the time Mcnabb is throwing low to our WR's so they never get any yards after the catch. They ahve to catch it off the ground like Moss's catch last week that was ruled incomplete because it was 2 yards behind him and low.. I mean.. That's a 15 yard pass to and OPEN WR.

I'm excited about tomorrow. I wanna see what Rex can do. If anything it makes us younger at the QB position, and if he does well it could give us some stability for a change.

I'm not excited, but I do think the offense will be livelier tomorrow. I also agree that we should actually let Grossman show his stuff here before hanging him.

[SmootSmack]

Claytons been taking Cutler for a few months now

[MTK]

Here we go with the Snyder did it stuff. Ugh.

[SirClintonPortis]

Also, Gibbs wanted Duckett, JC, Brunell, etc. He wanted to call the shots and he got it.