Who Will Be The Redskins 2011 Opening Day Starting QB?

[mooby]

I will bump this thread and answer this poll when or if training camp opens and we have our semi-finalized roster on board. I'm just taking the easy way out simply because a lot of things can happen between now and Opening Day 2011. I really don't have an idea of where the 'Skins are going to go with the qb position. I think they'll go draft but the draft is a matter of where we land and who's available. They might not even take a qb if all the good ones are gone by the time we pick.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

You know what I would really like to know -

Who was the force behind the McNabb trade? Looking back on everything we've seen from the shanahans over the course of the season, it seems obvious that neither Kyle or Mike Shanahan ever wanted McNabb here.

Kyle already had his QB of choice on the roster. Shanahan would seem to trust his son. There's no indication that Allen has authority over Shanahan on personnel matters.

They're talking about it on espn980 right now and i have to agree - this move was driven by Dan Snyder.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You know what I would really like to know -

Who was the force behind the McNabb trade? Looking back on everything we've seen from the shanahans over the course of the season, it seems obvious that neither Kyle or Mike Shanahan ever wanted McNabb here.

Kyle already had his QB of choice on the roster. Shanahan would seem to trust his son. There's no indication that Allen has authority over Shanahan on personnel matters.

They're talking about it on espn980 right now and i have to agree - this move was driven by Dan Snyder.

Seems that Kyle wanted him less than Mike. I think it came down to an ego thing, they thought whatever issues they saw on film could be corrected with their coaching. Turns out this old dog isn't interested in learning any new tricks.

Not buying that Snyder is driving any decision making. Knowing how much of a control freak Shanahan is... no way he would have come here unless he was guaranteed total control over the roster.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems that Kyle wanted him less than Mike. I think it came down to an ego thing, they thought whatever issues they saw on film could be corrected with their coaching. Turns out this old dog isn't interested in learning any new tricks.

Not buying that Snyder is driving any decision making. Knowing how much of a control freak Shanahan is... no way he would have come here unless he was guaranteed total control over the roster.

You mean a 34-year-old, 5-time Pro Bowler, is not interested in a major overhaul of his mechanics? What a surprise!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You mean a 34-year-old, 5-time Pro Bowler, is not interested in a major overhaul of his mechanics? What a surprise!

Not sure it was a major overhaul they were looking for, just cleaning up the little things mainly his footwork.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not sure it was a major overhaul they were looking for, just cleaning up the little things mainly his footwork.

I would consider changing even just the footwork that McNabb has used for almost 30 years to be a major overhaul.

Put differently: If McNabb were interested in changing his footwork, he likely would have done so in Philly.

It seems to me that trading for a 34-year-old QB is like getting married: you have to accept the flaws of the person rather than seeking to change the person.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You know what I would really like to know -

Who was the force behind the McNabb trade? Looking back on everything we've seen from the shanahans over the course of the season, it seems obvious that neither Kyle or Mike Shanahan ever wanted McNabb here.

Kyle already had his QB of choice on the roster. Shanahan would seem to trust his son. There's no indication that Allen has authority over Shanahan on personnel matters.

They're talking about it on espn980 right now and i have to agree - this move was driven by Dan Snyder.

It was not driven by Snyder. Once Bruce Allen saw that there was an opening to make a move for McNabb he told Mike Shanahan he was potentially available and stated his case for why he thought the deal made sense and how he could get it done. I believe Allen had tried to get McNabb a couple of years ago in Tampa as well. Anyhow, Mike Shanahan gave the go ahead and that's that. So if anyone was the "driving force" it was Bruce Allen

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It was not driven by Snyder. Once Bruce Allen saw that there was an opening to make a move for McNabb he told Mike Shanahan he was potentially available and stated his case for why he thought the deal made sense and how he could get it done. I believe Allen had tried to get McNabb a couple of years ago in Tampa as well. Anyhow, Mike Shanahan gave the go ahead and that's that. So if anyone was the "driving force" it was Bruce Allen

Agree here. Allen did try to get McNabb to Tampa in 06 or 07.

But the decision that I would still like to know about is:

Who was the "driving force" behind the contract extension for McNabb at the end of the bye week?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

But the decision that I would still like to know about is:

Who was the "driving force" behind the contract extension for McNabb at the end of the bye week?

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[SkinzWin]

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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It was not driven by Snyder. Once Bruce Allen saw that there was an opening to make a move for McNabb he told Mike Shanahan he was potentially available and stated his case for why he thought the deal made sense and how he could get it done. I believe Allen had tried to get McNabb a couple of years ago in Tampa as well. Anyhow, Mike Shanahan gave the go ahead and that's that. So if anyone was the "driving force" it was Bruce Allen

SS, any word on whether Kyle advocated for Rex? I mean we got him (I think before McNabb), but any idea if Kyle would've advocated for Rex as the starter?

And thanks for that tidbit about Allen advocating for McNabb.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

SS, any word on whether Kyle advocated for Rex? I mean we got him (I think before McNabb), but any idea if Kyle would've advocated for Rex as the starter?

And thanks for that tidbit about Allen advocating for McNabb.

I never heard, other than some report in the Washington Post, last week that Kyle never wanted McNabb here but I do know that he believed/believes Grossman would be just fine as a starter until the future of the franchise shows up. I remember last season reading how impressed the Texans were with how quickly Grossman picked up the offense

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It was not driven by Snyder. Once Bruce Allen saw that there was an opening to make a move for McNabb he told Mike Shanahan he was potentially available and stated his case for why he thought the deal made sense and how he could get it done. I believe Allen had tried to get McNabb a couple of years ago in Tampa as well. Anyhow, Mike Shanahan gave the go ahead and that's that. So if anyone was the "driving force" it was Bruce Allen

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

I don't believe Allen was with the Bucs when they made the offer to Haynesworth

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

I believe Allen was fired before Tampa offered Fat Al a contract. That was the Raheem Morris Bucs. Allen was fired with Gruden.