McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by juskins

Your first point is negated by the fact that it doesn't matter how he handled it. Maybe it was said as a pay back for the way Donovan has played. I, along with you and others, have no idea what may have been said in private conversations between the two of them. After all, the man has seen good and bad QBs and some that try to pull the wool over Shannahan's eyes. I think McNabb falls in the latter. What high price are you referring to?

This offense is about urgency and not about falling asleep.

Your second point makes no sense to me. Who gives a damn about how he says it - just say it! It's obvious to me that Donovan is not taking his audition seriously.

Redskins Insider - Kyle Shanahan: Donovan McNabb 'said he didn't say any of that'

[juskins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Redskins Insider - Kyle Shanahan: Donovan McNabb 'said he didn't say any of that'

I saw and heard what Kyle Shannahan said. I personally think he (McNabb) and his agent are trying to win the day by playing up this disrespectful angle. Don't you?

He can't hack this offense. Just maybe Mike is showing compassion by making it an issue (benching) for McNabb and his agent so they can go elsewhere and talk football.

[juskins]

I realize now that it is not a good idea to trade for a QB within your division. I get the feeling that McNabb has betrayed us by purposely playing badly and keeping our defense on the field.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by juskins

I realize now that it is not a good idea to trade for a QB within your division. I get the feeling that McNabb has betrayed us by purposely playing badly and keeping our defense on the field.

So he intentionally played bad to screw the Redskins over? That is way over the top. It is more likely that he had trouble with the system. However, nothing excuses the poor management MS has shown all season in respect to personnel, and McNabb in particular. Imagine finding out that you were getting demoted in a company wide email newsletter, that probably wouldn't sit well with you either. In terms of KS, he has been heavily scrutinized all season for his play calling and IMO hasn't shown knowledge of the talent he has on the roster.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

So he intentionally played bad to screw the Redskins over? That is way over the top. It is more likely that he had trouble with the system. However, nothing excuses the poor management MS has shown all season in respect to personnel, and McNabb in particular. Imagine finding out that you were getting demoted in a company wide email newsletter, that probably wouldn't sit well with you either. In terms of KS, he has been heavily scrutinized all season for his play calling and IMO hasn't shown knowledge of the talent he has on the roster.

Well, he sure didn't look good not winning for us. You are so upset with the way Shannahan has handled all aspects of his coaching, right?

He played Donovan in 13 games and then bad mouthed him. And what did Donovan do in those 13 games? Lets see, he kept the defense on the field and gave the offense a rest. Obviously, Shannahan was pissed at the franchise QB who can't learn his offense.

I would bench him too. Oh, it's not about the benching but the lack of respect for McNabb. His game sucks and thanks for providing no gamesmanship or character as a player on the field. It sure does seem as if he screwed us. Balls under thrown or overthrown and the unnecessary sacks. What do you think?

I have no respect for that aspect of his unprofessional game.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

Well, he sure didn't look good not winning for us. You are so upset with the way Shannahan has handled all aspects of his coaching, right?

He played Donovan in 13 games and then bad mouthed him. And what did Donovan do in those 13 games? Lets see, he kept the defense on the field and gave the offense a rest. Obviously, Shannahan was pissed at the franchise QB who can't learn his offense.

I would bench him too. Oh, it's not about the benching but the lack of respect for McNabb. His game sucks and thanks for providing no gamesmanship or character as a player on the field. It sure does seem as if he screwed us. Balls under thrown or overthrown and the unnecessary sacks. What do you think?

I have no respect for that aspect of his unprofessional game.

You sure love to accuse people of things just to make your claims look good. I'm glad you aren't company manager because you'd be the perfect douchebag boss who thinks that you're in the right in whatever you do.

First of all, BaltimoreSkins simply saying that Shanahan bungled his managing of personnel matters does not lead to the conclusion that he disagrees with anything.

Next, I'm the one who doesn't have the problem with the benching itself but with the other BS going around. The guy you're responding to may think differently, but of course, you don't care and shove it in here anyway.

And you like to deviate from the initial subject, which is whether McNabb is deliberately mailing it in or not. Rather than provide evidence, you attack the messenger who you think believes "so-and-so" bad things and simply insist with circular reasoning that your interpretation is of course, the correct one.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You sure love to accuse people of things just to make your claims look good. I'm glad you aren't company manager because you'd be the perfect douchebag boss who thinks that you're in the right in whatever you do.

First of all, BaltimoreSkins simply saying that Shanahan bungled his managing of personnel matters does not lead to the conclusion that he disagrees with anything.

Next, I'm the one who doesn't have the problem with the benching itself but with the other BS going around. The guy you're responding to may think differently, but of course, you don't care and shove it in here anyway.

And you like to deviate from the initial subject, which is whether McNabb is deliberately mailing it in or not. Rather than provide evidence, you attack the messenger who you think believes "so-and-so" bad things and simply insist with circular reasoning that your interpretation is of course, the correct one.

Who gives a rat's ass about what mistakes Shannahan has made. The problem is with the QB.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by juskins

Well, he sure didn't look good not winning for us. You are so upset with the way Shannahan has handled all aspects of his coaching, right?

He played Donovan in 13 games and then bad mouthed him. And what did Donovan do in those 13 games? Lets see, he kept the defense on the field and gave the offense a rest. Obviously, Shannahan was pissed at the franchise QB who can't learn his offense.

I would bench him too. Oh, it's not about the benching but the lack of respect for McNabb. His game sucks and thanks for providing no gamesmanship or character as a player on the field. It sure does seem as if he screwed us. Balls under thrown or overthrown and the unnecessary sacks. What do you think?

I have no respect for that aspect of his unprofessional game.

So based on you comments you are okay with Shannahan throwing away a second and fourth next year, when he clearly didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to trading for McNabb? Trust me I am OK with the benching of McNabb, I just think him finding out from the media as opposed to his boss is a poor decision. I think most people actually think McNabb is a stand up guy so I don't get your comment on no character.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

So based on you comments you are okay with Shannahan throwing away a second and fourth next year, when he clearly didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to trading for McNabb? Trust me I am OK with the benching of McNabb, I just think him finding out from the media as opposed to his boss is a poor decision. I think most people actually think McNabb is a stand up guy so I don't get your comment on no character.

Good post, best I read so far, cause I'm sure it's all DM fault, and weather you agree with Shanny or not, (which I don't) I agree moving DM is important for the team, but there is a better way to doing it.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

So based on you comments you are okay with Shannahan throwing away a second and fourth next year, when he clearly didn't perform a proper vetting process prior to trading for McNabb? Trust me I am OK with the benching of McNabb, I just think him finding out from the media as opposed to his boss is a poor decision. I think most people actually think McNabb is a stand up guy so I don't get your comment on no character.

Going forward I'm sure this won't happen again. I don't like not having picks no matter who gave them up for what reason. At the time the trade happen most would have made that trade.

You can't do anything about it now. It's a good thing we have a coach who sees ahead and realize that the Skins would not reach Shannahan's goals with McNabb. Let's stop with the "but he gave away picks for a washed up player". It has happen before Shannahan and hopefully it will stop because everyone has learned a lesson.

I said on the playing field he had no character. Stop with the nit picking, move on.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by juskins

I saw and heard what Kyle Shannahan said. I personally think he (McNabb) and his agent are trying to win the day by playing up this disrespectful angle. Don't you?

He can't hack this offense. Just maybe Mike is showing compassion by making it an issue (benching) for McNabb and his agent so they can go elsewhere and talk football.

As far as I'm concerned, too much has been made of the benching of McNabb. There appears to be far too much meddling by the media as well as fans regarding a coaches' decision. He shouldn't have to explain to the media who plays and when, it's his perogative, and no further explanation should be necessary.

Donovan McNabb is not above being benched, I've seen just about every QB that has ever played the game get benched at one time or another. I thought he should have been benched long before he was.