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[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

If we can get a decent pick for Cooley we have to do it. He is THE most overrated player on the team. He is the second best tight end on the team and probably the 4th or 5th best tight end in the division. He has dropped key balls all friggin' year.

Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.

Mainly, I mean from a typical fans perspective. I think that 2005 Dallas game is etched in their brains. Plus, Cooley is very good at marketing so he is very popular.

I firmly believe that Davis is better and has been better. That was before Cooley decided to flat drop 50 percent of the clutch balls that came his way this year. He represents the old culture to me (overpaid, underperform) and I would be thrilled if they could get a 3rd. i would take a 4th. His pay is ridiculous compared to his production.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Mainly, I mean from a typical fans perspective. I think that 2005 Dallas game is etched in their brains. Plus, Cooley is very good at marketing so he is very popular.

I firmly believe that Davis is better and has been better. That was before Cooley decided to flat drop 50 percent of the clutch balls that came his way this year. He represents the old culture to me (overpaid, underperform) and I would be thrilled if they could get a 3rd. i would take a 4th. His pay is ridiculous compared to his production.

If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.

Here's the thing. Cooley never has been and never will never be as good as Tony Gonzalez. The thing that separates Gonzalez is that he makes 8 out of 10 of those catches that Cooley dropped.

They just aren't comparable. Gonzalez is a Hall of Famer while Cooley is an above average tight end.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Here's the thing. Cooley never has been and never will never be as good as Tony Gonzalez. The thing that separates Gonzalez is that he makes 8 out of 10 of those catches that Cooley dropped.

They just aren't comparable. Gonzalez is a Hall of Famer while Cooley is an above average tight end.

I agree Gonzalez's is an elite TE where Cooley is above average and I say this regardless of his performance last Sunday, it was an off day for him.

Honestly and this pains me to say but Cooley is not even in the same boat as Witten. Cooley is good but not a game changer.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.

You're talking about maybe the best TE in the history of the NFL. Cooley is simply not in the same neighborhood as TG. If we put him out on the trade market we'd probably get a mid rounder. No way do we get a 2nd rounder IMO.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're talking about maybe the best TE in the history of the NFL. Cooley is simply not in the same neighborhood as TG. If we put him out on the trade market we'd probably get a mid rounder. No way do we get a 2nd rounder IMO.

You're right, Gonzo is the best Tight End in history. However they traded for him at 33 years old. So from a historical perspective you're correct Gonzo is much better than Cooley. However from a 2010 perspective Cooley is the better player. On top of being younger he also has better stats on a team with unsteady play from the Quarterback position. The fact that both players are the second best receiving option on their respective teams would make that part of the comparison a wash.

Not that I want to trade Cooley but I do believe that a 29 year old Cooley has equal trade value to that of a 33 year old Gonzalez.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You're right, Gonzo is the best Tight End in history. However they traded for him at 33 years old. So from a historical perspective you're correct Gonzo is much better than Cooley. However from a 2010 perspective Cooley is the better player. On top of being younger he also has better stats on a team with unsteady play from the Quarterback position. The fact that both players are the second best receiving option on their respective teams would make that part of the comparison a wash.

Not that I want to trade Cooley but I do believe that a 29 year old Cooley has equal trade value to that of a 33 year old Gonzalez.

what team out there needs a pass catching TE? it's an easy position to find so i really don't see anyone making a trade for him. maybe seattle?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

what team out there needs a pass catching TE? it's an easy position to find so i really don't see anyone making a trade for him. maybe seattle?

They drafted John Carlson for that.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.

I'd probably give the nod to Davis for better after the catch.. too soon to tell on hands