Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona

[MTK]

ugh, F Palin, seriously

And it's about time hacks like her realize that yes, the craziness they spew to their followers can have an impact like this. I'm not blaming her, just saying it's not out of the question for some wack job like this kid to latch on to something she says and run wild with it.

This comment sums it up for me:

Sarah Palin is the type of person to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater and then offer her condolences to the people that got trampled.

Palin: Critics create 'blood libel' after Tucson shooting - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

ugh, F Palin, seriously

And it's about time hacks like her realize that yes, the craziness they spew to their followers can have an impact like this. I'm not blaming her, just saying it's not out of the question for some wack job like this kid to latch on to something she says and run wild with it.

This comment sums it up for me:



Palin: Critics create 'blood libel' after Tucson shooting - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

So by her logic we should release Charles Manson from prison because he just told his followers to go out and kill people. Sure, it may have been his idea but a sane person wouldn't have followed it. Hell, I guess you could use the same logic for Bin Laden.

Seriously though, yes, it is up to the individual to act and its almost impossible to say how a mentally unstable person is going to interpret any given thought but at least SOME blame has to fall on those sending out the message. I'm not saying Palin is directly or even partially responsible for this tragedy in Arizona, but what does she expect to eventually happen when she uses her type of rhetoric?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

So by her logic we should release Charles Manson from prison because he just told his followers to go out and kill people. Sure, it may have been his idea but a sane person wouldn't have followed it. Hell, I guess you could use the same logic for Bin Laden.

Seriously though, yes, it is up to the individual to act and its almost impossible to say how a mentally unstable person is going to interpret any given thought but at least SOME blame has to fall on those sending out the message. I'm not saying Palin is directly or even partially responsible for this tragedy in Arizona, but what does she expect to eventually happen when she uses her type of rhetoric?

Please post the rhetoric that she uses that could have caused this.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

So by her logic we should release Charles Manson from prison because he just told his followers to go out and kill people. Sure, it may have been his idea but a sane person wouldn't have followed it. Hell, I guess you could use the same logic for Bin Laden.

Seriously though, yes, it is up to the individual to act and its almost impossible to say how a mentally unstable person is going to interpret any given thought but at least SOME blame has to fall on those sending out the message. I'm not saying Palin is directly or even partially responsible for this tragedy in Arizona, but what does she expect to eventually happen when she uses her type of rhetoric?

You mean like Marx, who called for violent revolution? Shall we ban the Communist Manifesto? Regardless of the speech, it is the individual who must be held accountable. Manson and Bin Laden did more than simply 'call for violent action' or 'exhort their followers'. At a minimum, they planned and facilitated murder. The mob boss who plans the hit is just as guilty of murder as the hitman himself.

It's one thing to call for civility, it's another to start saying certain types of speech shouldn't be allowed in public discourse. Calls for violence and etc. have always existed. As Smootsmack said, people calling for violent actions have always been a part of political discourse and are all around us. Quite frankly, in the 1800's the individuals (left and right) would have already fought a duel which was an accepted manner of resolving political disputes through the middle of the 19th century.

As I have always said, the way to respond to "bad" speech is with "good" speech not to attempt to ban the "bad" speech.

Jonah Goldberg: Liberals' rhetoric exploits Tucson tragedy - baltimoresun.com

[FRPLG]

It's plain irresponsible to use this tragedy as a launching point to discuss the nature of rhetoric in our country as it applies to politics. It had nothing to do with politics...at all. It's pathetic that this is what the situation has become.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It's plain irresponsible to use this tragedy as a launching point to discuss the nature of rhetoric in our country as it applies to politics. It had nothing to do with politics...at all. It's pathetic that this is what the situation has become.

Look around she has said nothing until today because of the 24 hour news about her and this on MSNBC and CNN. Hell even Matty listed links to the shit MSNBC is saying.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Look around she has said nothing until today because of the 24 hour news about her and this on MSNBC and CNN. Hell even Matty listed links to the shit MSNBC is saying.

I wasn't necessarily talking about her...or just about her.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I wasn't necessarily talking about her...or just about her.

Sounded like you were talking about her. I agree its a shame that people try to make this political.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Look around she has said nothing until today because of the 24 hour news about her and this on MSNBC and CNN. Hell even Matty listed links to the shit MSNBC is saying.

I was just linking to the comment I liked

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It's plain irresponsible to use this tragedy as a launching point to discuss the nature of rhetoric in our country as it applies to politics. It had nothing to do with politics...at all. It's pathetic that this is what the situation has become.

Yup. This tragedy was not caused by political discourse but by one individual's warped perception of reality.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It's plain irresponsible to use this tragedy as a launching point to discuss the nature of rhetoric in our country as it applies to politics. It had nothing to do with politics...at all. It's pathetic that this is what the situation has become.

What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=12thMan;777416]What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for a good laugh. Lets see her map was about seat they aimed to win. Thus they used the little aim things. Not sure how you could tie the two together. If I'm correct they have nothing on this guy that ties him to all this stupid speculation from the left.

What makes her map any different then this map the dems used.



No telling how many people have been shot living in the states they have targets on. Now that I look at that map again the target on Virginia is about where VT is located in Virginia. I bet this was the map that drove that guy to kill those other students.

[12thMan]

[quote=firstdown;777433]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for a good laugh. Lets see her map was about seat they aimed to win. Thus they used the little aim things. Not sure how you could tie the two together. If I'm correct they have nothing on this guy that ties him to all this stupid speculation from the left.

What makes her map any different then this map the dems used.



No telling how many people have been shot living in the states they have targets on. Now that I look at that map again the target on Virginia is about where VT is located in Virginia. I bet this was the map that drove that guy to kill those other students.

You're way off, man. Pull up the map that Palin used with cross hairs over Giffords name and congessional district. Oh wait, Palin pulled it down within hours of the shooting. I wonder why?

Anyway, I was --still am-- pulling for Sarah to at least make it to the primaries, now I'm not so sure. But the issue isn't whether the two are linked or not, it's that she continues to display amazingly bad judgement for someone with presidential aspirations.

[JoeRedskin]

[quote=12thMan;777549]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You're way off, man. Pull up the map that Palin used with cross hairs over Giffords name and congessional district. Oh wait, Palin pulled it down within hours of the shooting. I wonder why?

Anyway, I was --still am-- pulling for Sarah to at least make it to the primaries, now I'm not so sure. But the issue isn't whether the two are linked or not, it's that she continues to display amazingly bad judgement for someone with presidential aspirations.

Ding Ding Ding!!!

Absolutely agree.

[firstdown]

Its the left again that keeps saying how dumb she is but they are so scared of her they have to run her into the dirt every chance they get. See if she was really some hack no one would pay any attention to her. Its also funny that its the left that keeps SP name in the news. If they would just shut up about her you might see her in the news once a month instead of all day everyday at MSNBC.