Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.

Letting his son run the offense...as if is his son was a 3rd grade social studies teacher who Mike Shanahan just plucked out of class one day to run the offense

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.

I think one of the challenges for some fans with Shanny is his apparent utter disregard for the media and their biological tendency to...run with every ridiculous nano-story, real or imagined.
He does NOT appear to care what you think. I'm good with that....so be it.
I want a coach with old school discipline and expectiations......
I don't think he feels he owes the media...anything. I don't think he really cares what they print (more or less) Leave me to my coaching thing kind of guy. He did not sign on to be a.....media darling. I'm good with that as well

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.

There is nothing wrong with chasing a bunch of free agents as long as they are the right ones. We only have like 5 or 6 draft picks...and we have a lot more holes then that. The key is to sign free agents in thier mid 20's that can be built around. In the big picture the Redskins need to put more emphises on the draft but there is nothing wrong with using free agency also to help get the thing off the ground.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.

Only time will tell, most thought the Redskins were rebuilding once a veteran coach and GM were hired. Unfortunately, it was more of the same. He kept the old players initially, Johnson, Parker, Galloway, and cut the young talent, Torrain, Banks, Austin.

Next year is going to be the same or worst, especially if we remain with the 4-3. I have no faith in Shannahan until he accrues more single season wins with the Redskins than Jim Zorn.

[skinsguy]

I had better not hear another fan moan and complain about Daniel Snyder and then say in the same breath that they want to see Mike Shanahan out of Washington after one season. You are the ones delusional.

[MTK]

Other teams don't bench guys eh?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Other teams don't bench guys eh?

Thats not what I said or was implying. Benching AH/DM at the same time after just paying and taking up valuable roster/trade value/picks. 2 guys like Haynesworth and McNabb both benched for the same season on the same team is something a little more drastic and just benching a guy for not performing well . This was two of our "Biggest" acquisitions.

Again if these 2 guys where playing together on any other team, they would be on the field. You just don't see that kind of thing from two future HOF's anywhere else. Well I doubt AH makes HOF after wearing the B&G.

[JoeRedskin]

TO in doing sit-ups in his yard.

Keyshawn taking a break at Gruden's request.

More recently, Moss traded mid-season after spouting off.

Vince Young told not to attend team meetings.

Yup. The Skins are the only team on which these things happen.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

TO in doing sit-ups in his yard.

Keyshawn taking a break at Gruden's request.

More recently, Moss traded mid-season after spouting off.

Vince Young told not to attend team meetings.

Yup. The Skins are the only team on which these things happen.

Thank you for the list here. Amazing how facts can get in the way of fans and their adoration of whomever is in charge of their favorite team at the moment...

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Thank you for the list here. Amazing how facts can get in the way of fans and their adoration of whomever is in charge of their favorite team at the moment...

^^^^^^^^^

[MTK]

Shanahan inherited the AH problem and let's be honest, AH was a problem long before Shanahan showed up. He just got stuck with cleaning up the mess.

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shanahan inherited the AH problem and let's be honest, AH was a problem long before Shanahan showed up. He just got stuck with cleaning up the mess.

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

Matty, I agree with you 100% and was not insulting Shanny's decisions. I was just defending the fans reason for leading the pack in lunacy.

I'm probably the biggest DM fan on here but concede that his best is clearly behind him and we must move on. As far as AH, probably the biggest disapointment this season between a coach and player. HTTR!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

I don't think Mike Shanahan is ever going to mail you a handwritten letter telling you that he's unfit to be coach of the Redskins. Sometimes, you just have to pull yourself out of the moment for a second and read between the lines. When we start rationalizing the obvious mistakes as completely understandable errors, that's what I mean by the "faith in lord Shanahan" crowd.

If you've decided he can do no wrong, then its more clear to me why thinking he should be fired is such a lunatic position for Redskin fans.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

As to McNabb, I agree, Shanny was far too casual with his "Well, we just need to move on". His failure to acknowledge that he poorly scouted DM and that it was a costly mistake to a franchise trying to reboot are troubling. To me, this is a symptomatic of his entire, generally successful, coaching career. Even as a coordinator back in the day, he has always had a blindingly large ego. At the same time, in the past, he has been successful despite this flaw and may well yet be successful here. Time will tell.

As to AH, I disagree. This one is cannot be laid at anyone but AH's doorstep. MS & Haslett had made a determination of where they wanted to go and provided AH the opportunity to bail or stay. He chose to stay. After that, all bets are off you play by the coach's rules (even if he wants you to run 50 windsprints or play safety). AH is a headcase and maybe one or two coaches could have solved him (even Gibbs had problems with Arrington - his greatest inherited talent).

Bottomline, in year one, MS gets a pass from me. If the ego is still here in three years but the winning is not, that's a different discussion.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As to McNabb, I agree, Shanny was far too casual with his "Well, we just need to move on". His failure to acknowledge that he poorly scouted DM and that it was a costly mistake to a franchise trying to reboot are troubling. To me, this is a symptomatic of his entire, generally successful, coaching career. Even as a coordinator back in the day, he has always had a blindingly large ego. At the same time, in the past, he has been successful despite this flaw and may well yet be successful here. Time will tell.

As to AH, I disagree. This one is cannot be laid at anyone but AH's doorstep. MS & Hanifan had made a determination of where they wanted to go and provided AH the opportunity to bail or stay. He chose to stay. After that, all bets are off you play by the coach's rules (even if he wants you to run 50 windsprints or play safety). AH is a headcase and maybe one or two coaches could have solved him (even Gibbs had problems with Arrington - his greatest inherited talent).

Bottomline, in year one, MS gets a pass from me. If the ego is still here in three years but the winning is not, that's a different discussion.

When did Hanifan get involved?