Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

When did Hanifan get involved?

Doh!!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

I don't think Mike Shanahan is ever going to mail you a handwritten letter telling you that he's unfit to be coach of the Redskins. Sometimes, you just have to pull yourself out of the moment for a second and read between the lines. When we start rationalizing the obvious mistakes as completely understandable errors, that's what I mean by the "faith in lord Shanahan" crowd.

If you've decided he can do no wrong, then its more clear to me why thinking he should be fired is such a lunatic position for Redskin fans.

I completely agree. The Shanahan side of the McNabb/Haynesworth fiascos made me much less sanguine about the future of our club. Fisher and Reid were able to get much more productivity out of those two players and that is what coaching is all about.

That said, it is foolishness to call for Shanny to be fired, as some are doing. You have to give him more time, even if it means "grin and bear it" as a fan.

[FRPLG]

I don't get why some people put any faith in the bums we have on our team who have a problem with Shanny. They are all the ones who got their last coach fired and most of them are the ones we've complained about for so long having too much influence. Seriously, the main problem that has been identified with our organization is that the talent is allowed too much say and control. We've been a team run by the inmates since Norv. THEY"RE THE ONES THAT NEED TO GO!! I couldn't give a flying eff what those idiots have to say. You don't like Shanny's methods player X? F*ck you. How about you player Y? You don't like them either? Oh well then, F*ck you too. Eff 'em all in the ear. They're the biggest problem. The second biggest problem is the media and fans that listen to these piles of crap.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't get why some people put any faith in the bums we have on our team who have a problem with Shanny. They are all the ones who got their last coach fired and most of them are the ones we've complained about for so long having too much influence. Seriously, the main problem that has been identified with our organization is that the talent is allowed too much say and control. We've been a team run by the inmates since Norv. THEY"RE THE ONES THAT NEED TO GO!! I couldn't give a flying eff what those idiots have to say. You don't like Shanny's methods player X? F*ck you. How about you player Y? You don't like them either? Oh well then, F*ck you too. Eff 'em all in the ear. They're the biggest problem. The second biggest problem is the media and fans that listen to these piles of crap.

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[Monksdown]

The rift between Mike and Mr. Snyder has a name. Bruce Allen. And Dan Snyder chose to create that 'rift' because we were demanding it.

Never forget he's a marketing mogul. And one of the tenants in marketing, is understand your consumer.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

The rift between Mike and Mr. Snyder has a name. Bruce Allen. And Dan Snyder chose to create that 'rift' because we were demanding it.

Never forget he's a marketing mogul. And one of the tenants in marketing, is understand your consumer.

He maintains the fact he's maturing as an owner, the years between then and now are a testament.

D.C. Sports Bog - Snyder on maturing as an owner

Redskins Insider - Daniel Snyder acknowledges costly player mistakes

[FRPLG]

I must accept that we have fans that suck. A lot of them. Some of them here.

[SBXVII]

OMG, come on people. This team had little talent. Some of us to include myself "thought" this team was stacked with talent but I think this year proved otherwise. It wouldn't have mattered who we brought in, if the coach was going to use zone blocking the team obviously would need to pick up the right OL for the scheme. Plus if the HC (whoever it might have been besides MS) decided to switch to the 3-4 defense like they did we still would have had the problems we had.

So the only way to satisfy half the fans here would have been to keep status quo (4-3) on defense and tried to upgrade the offense. Instead MS threw all his cards in. He went for it all knowing that it will take up to 3 yrs to completely change things and turn this team around. But some fans expected either over night success or start over.

Can we as fans finally let this team turn it's bad habits around and finally develope a team for success.... even it if takes some time? Otherwise we will be status quo.... a mediocre team.

[44ever]

Moved to FA thread

[wilsowilso]

Anyone who thinks the change to the 3-4 was just too painful without the right players is a moron.

The 3-4 is the defense of Champions in today's NFL.

Anyone who thinks Shanahan was too hard on AH needs to be punched in the nuts because you are a clown.

That is all.

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Anyone who thinks the change to the 3-4 was just too painful without the right players is a moron.

The 3-4 is the defense of Champions in today's NFL.

Anyone who thinks Shanahan was too hard on AH needs to be punched in the nuts because you are a clown.

That is all.

I am 100% behind the 3-4 but technically last years champs ran 4-3. It was a little hard to watch this year at times i.e. the second eagles game but we held Packers, jags, and bears all to under 20 points running this scheme with members who never ran it before and were misplaced inside of it and w/o our best DL man.

And Speaking of Haynesworth, I think Shannahan set a tone with him, used him as an example to the team and Snyder. To the team, he set the tone that he was in charge and no one was bigger than the team. To Snyder he used haynesworth as an example that paying big money to a big play maker who isn't a team player isn't always the answer, and maybe, MAYBE Snyder will finally get it.

He somewhat discredited himself with getting McNabb who was one of the big name pick ups in the off-season, but at least he was a team player even in the worsre of situations.

[Beemnseven]

I know a lot of people didn't like the change to the 3-4; and nobody liked the results to be sure.

But if it was going to happen, aren't we glad they did it THIS season rather than wait until year two or later? Unless you're aceinthehouse, you had to know this wasn't going to be a playoff season anyhow.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I know a lot of people didn't like the change to the 3-4; and nobody liked the results to be sure.

But if it was going to happen, aren't we glad they did it THIS season rather than wait until year two or later? Unless you're aceinthehouse, you had to know this wasn't going to be a playoff season anyhow.

Yes! Although I wish that we had stuck to the 4-3, if we were going to change, this was the year to do it. Rip off the bandaid of transition. Now we go into next year with both an offense and a defense which are familiar to players.