Pointing at the other bench (The Jets/Pats Saga)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Has the window closed on Brady?

Nah, the Pats are a young team. Brady still has plenty of quality football left.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Nah, the Pats are a young team. Brady still has plenty of quality football left.

I agree....Brady should be able to continue playing at the top of his game for a few years yet, it's the defense, made up of younger players void of the leadership they've been accustomed. Yesterday however, it was both sides of the ball that failed them. I agree with the comments made here.

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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Nah, the Pats are a young team. Brady still has plenty of quality football left.

So you think he'll win another Super Bowl before he's done? Because that's really my question

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So you think he'll win another Super Bowl before he's done? Because that's really my question

Interesting Smoot. I think the rest of the league is catching up and some obviously have passed NE as the the undisputed champs. So the window may indeed be closed (time running out) for Brady as far as winning another SB with the Pats.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Has the window closed on Brady?

Not even close. He's still in the prime of his career, the Pats have a young defense that will get better, two young stud te's, a solid o-line and not to mention a lot of draft picks. The Pats aren't going anywhere.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Has the window closed on Brady?

Definitely on the downside of his career.

For years, Brady had such a great O-line, he could finish every game as clean as he started it. Now he's getting abused and it it taking its toll. Last game, he just started collapsing like a rag doll instead of taking hits. He's not that tough of a QB compared to others like Roethlisberger, Rodgers, even McNabb who took a beating and kept playing (wasn't bench for injury). Pretty Boy Brady isn't used to being hit. Belichick is trying to protect him with a short passing game using the slot WRs and RBs a lot, but he's playing behind a poor line and being exposed as possibly a product of a good system and full-time protection. Yes, he's one of the better QBs in the NFL today, but maybe he had a lot of help with his successes.

In fact, I think one of the main reasons the team let Randy Moss go so easily was because Brady just doesn't have the time and protection to let those 50-yard routes develop anymore. They needed to adapt the offense to a shorter, faster-paced game to keep Tom off his back and Randy Moss just wasn't a usable piece anymore. Proof of that is how there was zero drop-off when they let their top offensive weapon (of the past) go. He wasn't an integral part of the offense anymore.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Definitely on the downside of his career.

For years, Brady had such a great O-line, he could finish every game as clean as he started it. Now he's getting abused and it it taking its toll. Last game, he just started collapsing like a rag doll instead of taking hits. He's not that tough of a QB compared to others like Roethlisberger, Rodgers, even McNabb who took a beating and kept playing (wasn't bench for injury). Pretty Boy Brady isn't used to being hit. Belichick is trying to protect him with a short passing game using the slot WRs and RBs a lot, but he's playing behind a poor line and being exposed as possibly a product of a good system and full-time protection. Yes, he's one of the better QBs in the NFL today, but maybe he had a lot of help with his successes.

In fact, I think one of the main reasons the team let Randy Moss go so easily was because Brady just doesn't have the time and protection to let those 50-yard routes develop anymore. They needed to adapt the offense to a shorter, faster-paced game to keep Tom off his back and Randy Moss just wasn't a usable piece anymore. Proof of that is how there was zero drop-off when they let their top offensive weapon (of the past) go. He wasn't an integral part of the offense anymore.

I think it has more to do with the personel of their offense. Randy Moss got old and slower and they drafted two TE's. That's smart coaching, adopting to your personel. Why would they have a bombs away offense (like they did in 07) when they really don't have anyone to stretch the field?

The Pats don't have a poor o-line. If you watched the game Brady had a lot of time, he just held the ball too long cause the Jets smothered their wr's. The Jets simply played a better game. They had a better game plan on both sides of the ball. And the Pats got outcoached. It really doesn't have much to do with Brady being on the downside of his career. The guy still had a MONSTER year with average wr's and TE's. I wish we could get a QB that could put up numbers like Brady did this year.

[DM72]

Was it me or did Brady look scared? I thought he had happy feet and was looking to go down even when there wasn't that much pressure. And Belichick was wrong for benching Welker for the first drive of the game. In a game that important, you fine the player, you don't bench him. I actually believe there was some rebelling with their play yesterday.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by DM72

Was it me or did Brady look scared? I thought he had happy feet and was looking to go down even when there wasn't that much pressure. And Belichick was wrong for benching Welker for the first drive of the game. In a game that important, you fine the player, you don't bench him. I actually believe there was some rebelling with their play yesterday.

They were just beat to the punch on all phase yesterday. The Jets played inspired football and wanted it more.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warpaint

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They were just beat to the punch on all phase yesterday. The Jets played inspired football and wanted it more.

Yep, the Jets wanted it more and were better prepared. Hats off to them.

I think the Pats may have been a bit too cocky coming in.

[SFREDSKIN]

More drama:

New England Patriots' Deion Branch rips 'classless' New York Jets - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

More drama:

New England Patriots' Deion Branch rips 'classless' New York Jets - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

OH really, New England?
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LT got his payback.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think you'll ever see a Bill Belicheck team being cocky. They just simply got beat. They got outcoached and outplayed. They had a bad day at the worst time.

They're one of the cockiest teams in sports. It's not always a vulgar-style of cockiness like the Jets or Steelers, but more of an elitist "we're just better than you" attitude, ESPECIALLY from Brady. That's why it is so satisfying when they lose.

If they were REALLY so great...why has it been 6 years since they've won a Super Bowl?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yep, the Jets wanted it more and were better prepared. Hats off to them.

I think the Pats may have been a bit too cocky coming in.

I don't think you'll ever see a Bill Belicheck team being cocky. They just simply got beat. They got outcoached and outplayed. They had a bad day at the worst time.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think you'll ever see a Bill Belicheck team being cocky. They just simply got beat. They got outcoached and outplayed. They had a bad day at the worst time.

I think Welkers' comments showed they got a little out of character

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yep, the Jets wanted it more and were better prepared. Hats off to them.

I think the Pats may have been a bit too cocky coming in.

Yep. I think 45-3 went to their heads. What little chatter that came out of NE last week (Kraft, Welker) was premised on a "we are superior" perspective.