ESPN Say's Newton To Enter Draft

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think I'll let Mayock himself clear up the next portion of your post:



Talent is exactly why Cam has 1st round ability.
Cam Newton looking purely at a talent perspective like you suggest is easily a top pick.
If you can honestly look at Newton and not see or understand his raw talent you might not understand what you're looking at.

After all the bluster of your post my point remains:

Your point doesn't remain. If that's the case, Olympic athletes have 1st round talent to be a WR/OL/DL. Why aren't they drafted? Maybe because of ..I dunno...OTHER FACTORS?? Mayock even said that he himself would NOT take him in the first round (the same with JaMarcus R.) based off the other factors. He's a first round talent in terms of of being a incredible athlete and potential, but he's not a 1st round talent in terms of a polished QB. Does that mean nobody is going to take him? Sure there will be, just like the Raiders took JaMarcus Russell with the first pick. Idiots will always be lured by that "shiny diamond" that always ends up being a polished turd.

There is nothing he's done so far that can translate well to the NFL. Shotgun formations? One read and go offense? Running more than he passes? One year in college football? If you are trying to convince me of his "upside" and "potential" to be a great QB, then you are wasting your time. I know he has all the "potential" and "upside" there is in a QB. I've also gone on record saying that the first round isn't the place you take "projects" either, and that the person being drafted in the 1st round are generally projected day 1 starters. Do you see Cam Newton as a day 1 starter? I sure as hell don't. More like a project who'll need 1-3 years at best.


Also, Bruce Campbell was a slated 1st round "talent" to be a dominate LT in the NFL, yet he didn't go till the 4th round. Why is that? It's because teams don't want to waste a 1st round pick on a project who isn't going to help the team immediately.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Again, good info but that doesn't tell us if Newton is a 4th round talent or not.

All that matters is where the team that ends up taking him has him ranked. Perhaps some teams do have him rated as a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th rounder. But there are definitely teams that have him rated as a 1st rounder.

Agreed......maybe that's the reason the author put emphasis on it not being exact, leaving an open door to all the many variables.

[MTK]

And with all that, he's still going in the top of the first round. Could go #1 overall.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And with all that, he's still going in the top of the first round. Could go #1 overall.

Even more so now that their will be a rookie salary cap. It means a team isn't going to have to pay the huge costs if he's a bust. However, drafting the wrong QB will set your franchise back 3-5 years regardless of how much money you give him. Had Vinny been here, we would have drafted Jimmy Clausen at the #4 spot this past year. Like Shanny said in the book, it's amazing how stupid people are when it comes to making picks.

I don't see the Panthers taking him. JR doesn't like to take players that have had troubled pasts so I definitely think they'll go defense. My guess is they want people to think that so they can trade out of the pick and get more bang for the buck.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Even more so now that their will be a rookie salary cap. It means a team isn't going to have to pay the huge costs if he's a bust. However, drafting the wrong QB will set your franchise back 3-5 years regardless of how much money you give him. Had Vinny been here, we would have drafted Jimmy Clausen at the #4 spot this past year. Like Shanny said in the book, it's amazing how stupid people are when it comes to making picks.

I don't see the Panthers taking him. JR doesn't like to take players that have had troubled pasts so I definitely think they'll go defense. My guess is they want people to think that so they can trade out of the pick and get more bang for the buck.

I'm not sure which way the Panthers will go. Love him or hate him Newton is the kind of guy that creates a buzz, and a place like Carolina could use a guy like him to put buts in seats and get the fan base energized again.

[skinsfaninok]

Scout on Newton: “You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t” | ProFootballTalk

[skinsfaninok]

Mcshay and Kiper have us taking Cam

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Mcshay and Kiper have us taking Cam

Did Kiper change his pick? Last I saw he had us taking Gabbert

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Did Kiper change his pick? Last I saw he had us taking Gabbert

Maybe it was just McShay but I could have swore the scroll also said Kiper.

[wilsowilso]

What happened at his pro day today?

I'm sure he must have looked better than the combine workout.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

What happened at his pro day today?

I'm sure he must have looked better than the combine workout.

50-60 passing is the last I heard, also he continued to impress with his athleticism, no shocker there

[skinsfaninok]

NFL Videos: Should Newton start right away?

The CAM talk is heating up with the Redskins

[skinsfaninok]

Right now I would say if CAM is there at 10 we will draft him

[MTK]

Vinny said he wouldn't draft Cam, so that means we should definitely draft him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Vinny said he wouldn't draft Cam, so that means we should definitely draft him.

Yeah, I'm coming around to the idea now!