Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think you're oversimplifying this tragedy. To say it had nothing to do with politics is comletely absurd. There was just too much thought and past contact with Rep. Giffords by the perpetrator to chalk this up to everyday crazy. I know there is a reluctance to pin it on this or that, but we have to more honest about the discussion as it pertains to people with mental illnesses.

How many mentallly ill people do you suppose are law abiding citizens in Arizona and we never hear a peep from them? Whatever the number, I wonder how many of them brandish weapons and threaten innocent lives in public. Very few. In fact, if you want to make the sanity vs insanity argument, I'm willing to bet more sane assholes murder more innocent bystanders than those that are clinically insane. What we're guilty of doing, in the wake of this horrific event, is drawing a straight line from mental illness to being a mass murder and in the process disparaging those who have a mental condition that warrants treatment. I just think we have to be careful, that's all.

Truth is we still don't know all the facts yet, but hopefully we can get a more complete picture of this guy.

As an aside, I'm very interested to see how this will effect Republicans attempt to repeal healthcare.

12th, I don't mean this is an attack in any way but I think you've lost your mind. You're are one of the most even headed people on here when it comes to politics. I am baffled how your perspective on this is so skewed towards politics. The guy was nutso, crazy, bonkers. That's not disparaging it is just the truth told in dumb words. There are degrees of mental illness...he is at the top. It had nothing to do with political rhetoric any more than it had to do with the food he ate or the tv he watched. I mean you seem to be the one drawing a specious line from politics to mass murder. Perhaps I am not comprehending your argument.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

12th, I don't mean this is an attack in any way but I think you've lost your mind. You're are one of the most even headed people on here when it comes to politics. I am baffled how your perspective on this is so skewed towards politics. The guy was nutso, crazy, bonkers. That's not disparaging it is just the truth told in dumb words. There are degrees of mental illness...he is at the top. It had nothing to do with political rhetoric any more than it had to do with the food he ate or the tv he watched. I mean you seem to be the one drawing a specious line from politics to mass murder. Perhaps I am not comprehending your argument.

You think I've lost my mind in a Jared Loughner sort of way? Couldn't resist the pun. But yeah, I am a little emotionally invested; I guess we all are to some degree.

If you read all of my comments, however, you'll see that I don't place the blame solely on some political motive or any one thing, for that matter. What I said was that we don't know, and may never know, what caused Loughner to actually do this.

That said, I have to wonder why Loughner didn't carry out these heinous acts of violence on the faculty at the community college that gave him the boot for misconduct or the Army recruiter that denied him on the basis of drug use. One would think he had a more personal grievance with both of those institutions. His past contact with Giffords, as well as the letter that was found at his home, seem to indicate some political motive or extreme views. That's all I'm saying.

But to cut to the chase, do I think Sarah Palin's crosshairs made him do this? Naw, but still Sarah Palin is a major part of the backdrop of American politics and conservative culture. She is a universal and recognizable figure by any measure and has a huge and loyal following. So while Loughner may not have taken any direct cues from Palin or her website, her extreme and hateful rhetoric may have turned up the temperature quite a bit.

Now allow me to put on my partisan hat for just a second, Republicans are very adept at giving the masses pitchforks and torches and slowly backing away once the shit hits the fan. I just feel the overheated and toxic political climate may have tipped an already mentally unstable person over the edge.

[saden1]

Cut the fcking crap people! The fact that he believed in the gold standard is king nonsense, the government wants to control you and shot up a Democratic congresswoman's event aught to be sufficient evidence that there was some political motivation.

There are left wing loons too...if that dumb bitch Palin and the right wing band of talking knuckleheads keep it up deranged mofo might pay them a visit. Karma is a bitch and don't y'all forget it! Keep it cool

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Cut the fcking crap people! The fact that he believed in the gold standard is king nonsense, the government wants to control you and shot up a Democratic congresswoman's event aught to be sufficient evidence that there was some political motivation.

There are left wing loons too...if that dumb bitch Palin and the right wing band of talking knuckleheads keep it up deranged mofo might pay them a visit. Karma is a bitch and don't y'all forget it! Keep it cool

Keep what up,

I wonder if that was Obama care that provided her withe the twent car escort and private plane ride to a new rehab place.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Keep what up,

I wonder if that was Obama care that provided her withe the twent car escort and private plane ride to a new rehab place.

I'm sure the same thing would have happened to a republican congressman.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sure the same thing would have happened to a republican congressman.

I just don't see why we had to spend all that money and make such a big deal to move her from one place to the other. Police escort, private jet, and then a helicopter.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I just don't see why we had to spend all that money and make such a big deal to move her from one place to the other. Police escort, private jet, and then a helicopter.

True, but like I said, the same thing would have happened to a republican congressman. Each side of the aisle makes its share of things like this, which is why I find it silly when someone from the left or the right "points this out".

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I just don't see why we had to spend all that money and make such a big deal to move her from one place to the other. Police escort, private jet, and then a helicopter.

Sorry, but the lady took a bullet while doing her job meeting with her constituents. She also became a solid target for any other person wanting notoriety or taking on a cause. I am not a defender of gov't spending by any account, but this should and would be absolutely consider reasonable expenses.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You think I've lost my mind in a Jared Loughner sort of way? Couldn't resist the pun. But yeah, I am a little emotionally invested; I guess we all are to some degree.

If you read all of my comments, however, you'll see that I don't place the blame solely on some political motive or any one thing, for that matter. What I said was that we don't know, and may never know, what caused Loughner to actually do this.

That said, I have to wonder why Loughner didn't carry out these heinous acts of violence on the faculty at the community college that gave him the boot for misconduct or the Army recruiter that denied him on the basis of drug use. One would think he had a more personal grievance with both of those institutions. His past contact with Giffords, as well as the letter that was found at his home, seem to indicate some political motive or extreme views. That's all I'm saying.

But to cut to the chase, do I think Sarah Palin's crosshairs made him do this? Naw, but still Sarah Palin is a major part of the backdrop of American politics and conservative culture. She is a universal and recognizable figure by any measure and has a huge and loyal following. So while Loughner may not have taken any direct cues from Palin or her website, her extreme and hateful rhetoric may have turned up the temperature quite a bit.

Now allow me to put on my partisan hat for just a second, Republicans are very adept at giving the masses pitchforks and torches and slowly backing away once the shit hits the fan. I just feel the overheated and toxic political climate may have tipped an already mentally unstable person over the edge.

It was totally tongue and cheek.

As for the bolded part I would say the 'pubs are no better at it than the 'crats.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You think I've lost my mind in a Jared Loughner sort of way? Couldn't resist the pun. But yeah, I am a little emotionally invested; I guess we all are to some degree.

If you read all of my comments, however, you'll see that I don't place the blame solely on some political motive or any one thing, for that matter. What I said was that we don't know, and may never know, what caused Loughner to actually do this.

That said, I have to wonder why Loughner didn't carry out these heinous acts of violence on the faculty at the community college that gave him the boot for misconduct or the Army recruiter that denied him on the basis of drug use. One would think he had a more personal grievance with both of those institutions. His past contact with Giffords, as well as the letter that was found at his home, seem to indicate some political motive or extreme views. That's all I'm saying.

But to cut to the chase, do I think Sarah Palin's crosshairs made him do this? Naw, but still Sarah Palin is a major part of the backdrop of American politics and conservative culture. She is a universal and recognizable figure by any measure and has a huge and loyal following. So while Loughner may not have taken any direct cues from Palin or her website, her extreme and hateful rhetoric may have turned up the temperature quite a bit.

Now allow me to put on my partisan hat for just a second, Republicans are very adept at giving the masses pitchforks and torches and slowly backing away once the shit hits the fan. I just feel the overheated and toxic political climate may have tipped an already mentally unstable person over the edge.

This post hits a 10 on the stupid scale. I guess you just ignore the hate on the left. Thats ok because the left is waisting their time on Palin and now we know Newt is going to run for pres and will kick Obama's little ass out of office, One and done.