IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SkinItup

He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.

Hey, um how did Washington do when Locker got hurt in 2008?

[IrMitchell]

I've been doing some intense highlight/lowlight film watching on the big quarterbacks including, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallett,. Here are my breakdowns.

Blaine Gabbert:
Terrific size in terms of height and weight and it works to his advantage. He makes surprisingly deep throws while being chased on the run with just the flick of his wrist, truly outstanding. What stands out the most is the system he plays in. Everything is planned perfectly prior to the snap and when his short slant or deep throw read isn't there, he hesitates and begins to scramble.. and very slowly I might add. 60% of these scrambling plays end up in a missed throw/ball thrown out of play and the other 40% seem to end up with sacks or minor gains. Overall I see three things with him that are essential in a franchise quarterback of today's NFL. Big size+arm, Intangibles, and accuracy. What I see that needs to be fixed before he can take a snap in the NFL is his footwork and his ability to throw to his 3rd or 4th read. 9/10 and in my opinion the best Shanahan QB. Comparison: Joe Flacco

Jake Locker:
The most athletically gifted true NFL level quarterback I've seen in years. When you first watch Jake Locker you'll want to personally go yell at his teammates for being just downright terrible. His o-line is NCAA equivalent of the 2009/10 Washington Redskins... and that's being generous. Jake Locker is able to run the play action to perfection despite having such a brutal supporting cast. When he runs it's usually because he has too and when he throws it's not the accuracy that's questioned, but the hands of his receivers. Essentially what I'm getting at is, he shows flashes of brilliance a la Aaron Rodgers, but because of his team can't deliver on a consistent basis. What I see from him is his ability to shed blocks and outrun the defense, his throwing accuracy/strength on the run, and his ability to single-handedly win games for his team. What needs to be corrected is his decision making, getting the ball out quicker, and his accuracy while throwing out of the pocket. 8/10. Drafting Jake Locker would be based purely on potential, but if he pans out... look out NFC East. Certainly not the prototypical Shanahan QB, but neither was McNabb.
Comparison: A poor mans Aaron Rodgers

Ryan Mallett
His height and arm strength are second to none in this draft. Great accuracy on the deep ball, but will often overthrow shorter slants and crosses. His footwork and pocket awareness is pretty poor. Unlike Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett has a lack of ability to scramble outside and find receivers. When he feels and sees pressure he becomes very awkward and will often loose yardage instead of throwing the ball away. I just don't like anything outside of his arm as an NFL quarterback. What he needs to work on is his endurance and his ability to see pressure before he's on his back. In a system such as Minnesota, he has a lot of potential, but he'd struggle playing for Shanahan.
7/10 Least favorite by far.
Comparison: Matt Stafford with less mobility and accuracy.

Cam Newton
Good luck getting this guy. He'll be gone top three and baring a miracle we will without a doubt have our franchise quarterback.
9.5/10.. Although he does have a short history and played on an EXCELLENT football team.
Comparison: Very unique. High end accuracy, great running threat, has it all.

If we're going to draft a quarterback at #10, in my opinion only Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker should be our targets. Blaine Gabbert looks like he could play by 2012... I really really like his game.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I've been doing some intense highlight/lowlight film watching on the big quarterbacks including, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallett,. Here are my breakdowns.

Blaine Gabbert:
Terrific size in terms of height and weight and it works to his advantage. He makes surprisingly deep throws while being chased on the run with just the flick of his wrist, truly outstanding. What stands out the most is the system he plays in. Everything is planned perfectly prior to the snap and when his short slant or deep throw read isn't there, he hesitates and begins to scramble.. and very slowly I might add. 60% of these scrambling plays end up in a missed throw/ball thrown out of play and the other 40% seem to end up with sacks or minor gains. Overall I see three things with him that are essential in a franchise quarterback of today's NFL. Big size+arm, Intangibles, and accuracy. What I see that needs to be fixed before he can take a snap in the NFL is his footwork and his ability to throw to his 3rd or 4th read. 9/10 and in my opinion the best Shanahan QB. Comparison: Joe Flacco

Jake Locker:
The most athletically gifted true NFL level quarterback I've seen in years. When you first watch Jake Locker you'll want to personally go yell at his teammates for being just downright terrible. His o-line is NCAA equivalent of the 2009/10 Washington Redskins... and that's being generous. Jake Locker is able to run the play action to perfection despite having such a brutal supporting cast. When he runs it's usually because he has too and when he throws it's not the accuracy that's questioned, but the hands of his receivers. Essentially what I'm getting at is, he shows flashes of brilliance a la Aaron Rodgers, but because of his team can't deliver on a consistent basis. What I see from him is his ability to shed blocks and outrun the defense, his throwing accuracy/strength on the run, and his ability to single-handedly win games for his team. What needs to be corrected is his decision making, getting the ball out quicker, and his accuracy while throwing out of the pocket. 8/10. Drafting Jake Locker would be based purely on potential, but if he pans out... look out NFC East. Certainly not the prototypical Shanahan QB, but neither was McNabb.
Comparison: A poor mans Aaron Rodgers

Ryan Mallett
His height and arm strength are second to none in this draft. Great accuracy on the deep ball, but will often overthrow shorter slants and crosses. His footwork and pocket awareness is pretty poor. Unlike Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett has a lack of ability to scramble outside and find receivers. When he feels and sees pressure he becomes very awkward and will often loose yardage instead of throwing the ball away. I just don't like anything outside of his arm as an NFL quarterback. What he needs to work on is his endurance and his ability to see pressure before he's on his back. In a system such as Minnesota, he has a lot of potential, but he'd struggle playing for Shanahan.
7/10 Least favorite by far.
Comparison: Matt Stafford with less mobility and accuracy.

Cam Newton
Good luck getting this guy. He'll be gone top three and baring a miracle we will without a doubt have our franchise quarterback.
9.5/10.. Although he does have a short history and played on an EXCELLENT football team.
Comparison: Very unique. High end accuracy, great running threat, has it all.

If we're going to draft a quarterback at #10, in my opinion only Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker should be our targets. Blaine Gabbert looks like he could play by 2012... I really really like his game.

I think Stafford is a really good Mallett comparison, though I would argue that Mallett is actually a little more accurate in most fields (maybe not the flats or deep outs). Stafford also got the highest grades for his intangibles (being the face of a franchise, etc), and Mallett has questions there. But the comparison, I think, is a really good one.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Stafford is a really good Mallett comparison, though I would argue that Mallett is actually a little more accurate in most fields (maybe not the flats or deep outs). Stafford also got the highest grades for his intangibles (being the face of a franchise, etc), and Mallett has questions there. But the comparison, I think, is a really good one.

Yeah I've been using that one for a while now.

Both play a one dimensional game, although I think Stafford is still a much better competitor and football player.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I've been doing some intense highlight/lowlight film watching on the big quarterbacks including, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallett,. Here are my breakdowns.

Blaine Gabbert:
Comparison: Joe Flacco

Jake Locker:
Comparison: A poor mans Aaron Rodgers

Ryan Mallett
Comparison: Matt Stafford with less mobility and accuracy.

Cam Newton
Comparison: Very unique. High end accuracy, great running threat, has it all.

Good breakdowns IRM
In general i think its tough to make comparisons to NFL players but for what its worth here's my thoughts on your comparisons.

Gabbert's game and the way he throws the ball reminds me of Carson Palmer (pre-injury).

Locker reminds me of a cross between a more athletic and mechanically sound version of Cutler (w/ less arm strength) and more athletic version of Matt Stafford.

Ryan Mallett reminds me of quicker thinking Joe Flacco w/ a dash of Phillip Rivers attitude.

Newton reminds me of a bigger, mentally stable, more fundamentally sound bigger version of Vince Young.

[skinsfaninok]

I'm still not high on Gabbert saw him play quite a bit this season and has very avg downfield accuracy, good arm but really not worth top 10 pick.. In fact I bet he slips down in the draft after the combine.

I will say Gabbert has good potential though, I believe at one point he was the number 1 QB in the nation when recruited.

I'd take locker only if we can trade down around 18 ish.

At 10 if Cam is there, we should take him.. He loves the game of football and has potential out of this world.

IMHO I'd rather draft Some speed at LB at 10 but we all know shanny loves QBs

[Terpfan76]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I will say Gabbert has good potential though, I believe at one point he was the number 1 QB in the nation when recruited.

Scout.com had him ranked as the #7 QB in his class. Rivals however had him as #1 so take your pick.

I say we wait for Danny O'Brien lol

[cdskins26]

Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Jake Locker:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 8 weeks-1 season.

Ryan Mallett:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:3
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1 Season at most.

Blaine Gabbert:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:2
Time needed to sit before ready to start: Immediately to 1 season.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.

Yeah, if we did get him I think we should keep NcNabb even with the high price tag. McNabb can help for a couple years though we probably won't win a super bowl with him (an lets face it, it would be alil shocking with the current roster if we won one in the next couple of years anyways). McNabb can teach Cam, who seems like he may be somewhat immature, how to be and handle being an NFL QB like being the first and last person in the building and how to handle all the positive and negative attention.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Jake Locker:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 8 weeks-1 season.

Ryan Mallett:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:3
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1 Season at most.

Blaine Gabbert:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:2
Time needed to sit before ready to start: Immediately to 1 season.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.

What the hell are you going off of when you make these statements? Is this from some draft website, have you watched enough games of each player, or pure speculation based on what you have heard people say?

Everything that I have seen, Jack Locker looks pretty decent. Accurate when he has his feet under him; decent with bootlegs; great arms strength, mobility; and intangibles. Based on the games I've seen, his inaccuracy comes from poor WR and inconsistencies when pressured to move. Otherwise, he has really good mechanics.

My guess is, of the four, he has the longest tenure as a starting NFL QB.