As Is 2 Round Dream Draft

[skinsfaninok]

U guys must have seen ponder in a different light than I have. He's a decent player but I Just don't see him as a starter in the NFL..

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

U guys must have seen ponder in a different light than I have. He's a decent player but I Just don't see him as a starter in the NFL..

Well the way I feel about it is there is no super star, sure to be a top NFL QB in this year's draft since Luck stayed at Stanford. Therefore, I think we need to get a player that can be an elite talent at one of our other major areas of need, not a QB that people are iffy about in the 1st or 2nd round just because we need a QB.

Rex can be a stop gap. If we get a QB with some possible upside in the 3rd or 4th round, maybe they can be a solid starter. If not, we will still have gotten some starting quality talent to build our team and lets face it, we will probably not be a playoff team next year unless everything goes right for us.

I'm just more of the opinion that we take a huge risk taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd with this draft class. I would rather get a guy in the 1st or 2nd we are more sure will be a long term starter and star for the team and get a QB next year if one we draft this year doesn't work out. In the second round we could get a good center like Wisniewski, Hudson, or Pouncey. I would rather have a mid round pick on a QB not pan out than a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB. This draft class could be a bunch of Clausens and that scares me.

Edit: Just pretend I am only talking about a 2nd round draft pick scenario.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

U guys must have seen ponder in a different light than I have. He's a decent player but I Just don't see him as a starter in the NFL..

I see Ponder as an accurate, extremely intelligent, mobile, and creative QB. Others have stronger arms but his is strong enough. He also is tough and a good leader. The knocks against him seem to be arm strength (which can be developed somewhat) and sometimes poor decisions (which can be rectified by film study and his own native intelligence).

Ponder is so intelligent that he can be one of those QB's who is successful by outsmarting the defense.

I'm not saying that Ponder is great. But in a weak QB class, I see him as the most likely to be successful, at least in a Shanny offense.

So, why do you not see him as a starter?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I see Ponder as an accurate, extremely intelligent, mobile, and creative QB. Others have stronger arms but his is strong enough. He also is tough and a good leader. The knocks against him seem to be arm strength (which can be developed somewhat) and sometimes poor decisions (which can be rectified by film study and his own native intelligence).

Ponder is so intelligent that he can be one of those QB's who is successful by outsmarting the defense.

I'm not saying that Ponder is great. But in a weak QB class, I see him as the most likely to be successful, at least in a Shanny offense.

So, why do you not see him as a starter?

From what I've seen in person and TV the guy has some talent dont get me wrong but kid caves under pressure and has a very average arm IMO.. Arm strength isn't eveything I understand that But you nEed to be able to get the ball down field in the NFL. When he played against OU which I realize is only 1 game, he didn't read any blitzes well at all and made horrific decisions under pressure.. Maybe the guy turns out to be a star who knows, I just don't see what is so special to take him in the high 2nd round.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I see Ponder as an accurate, extremely intelligent, mobile, and creative QB. Others have stronger arms but his is strong enough. He also is tough and a good leader. The knocks against him seem to be arm strength (which can be developed somewhat) and sometimes poor decisions (which can be rectified by film study and his own native intelligence).

Ponder is so intelligent that he can be one of those QB's who is successful by outsmarting the defense.

I'm not saying that Ponder is great. But in a weak QB class, I see him as the most likely to be successful, at least in a Shanny offense.

So, why do you not see him as a starter?

Your analyze of him is inflated with hopes and wishful thinking on your part. QBs from Florida universities frighten me.

In fact, this is what CBS Sports says of Ponder: "The biggest concern at this point might be his struggles remaining on the field. While Ponder has been impressive when healthy, he was unable to finish either of the past two seasons due to multiple injuries to his throwing arm."

The CBS Sports critique also agreed with you about his intelligence, but the fact that his arm strength is suspect to make all the NFL throws could be a negative and earn him a selection in the middle rounds of the draft.

If he indeed has had several injuries to his throwing arm, that in itself, makes me leary. Honestly, what about you?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by juskins

Your analyze of him is inflated with hopes and wishful thinking on your part. QBs from Florida universities frighten me.

In fact, this is what CBS Sports says of Ponder: "The biggest concern at this point might be his struggles remaining on the field. While Ponder has been impressive when healthy, he was unable to finish either of the past two seasons due to multiple injuries to his throwing arm."

The CBS Sports critique also agreed with you about his intelligence, but the fact that his arm strength is suspect to make all the NFL throws could be a negative and earn him a selection in the middle rounds of the draft.

If he indeed has had several injuries to his throwing arm, that in itself, makes me leary. Honestly, what about you?

His injuries are a concern that I should have mentioned. Every QB this year, though, seems to have some major concern. I didn't say that Ponder is unblemished.

Injuries are a concern but it all depends on how he recovers. Sam Bradford injured his shoulder his last year in college but cam back just fine. Alternatively, Matt Stafford was pretty much injury-free in college but has been sidelined a lot so far in the NFL. Being injured, or being injury-free, may or may not project to the NFL.

A positive which I failed to mention is that Ponder has considerable experience working under center, unlike some other candidates.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by juskins

Your analyze of him is inflated with hopes and wishful thinking on your part. QBs from Florida universities frighten me.

Jim Kelly
Bernie Kosar
Vinny Testeverde


Oh wait...wrong school....and decade.


I do agree with you about QB concerns with DRAFTED QBs. I'd rather spend these picks on the O-line and LB and roll out with McNabb again.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Buster

Jim Kelly
Bernie Kosar
Vinny Testeverde


Oh wait...wrong school....and decade.


I do agree with you about QB concerns with DRAFTED QBs. I'd rather spend these picks on the O-line and LB and roll out with McNabb again.

I agree with you up to the part about McNabb. I don't think after 10 years with the Eagles he has the quick learning ability anymore to learn an offense completely opposite what he has been doing. His skills are also diminished greatly. I would rather put Rex back in there if we can give him a better OLine. He showed he could make the plays, he just doesn't have a good internal clock for pressure, so if we can keep the pressure off of him with good line play it should give the potential to improve the offense much more than by sticking with McNabb. I don't think McNabb will improve anymore in this system at his age.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I agree with you up to the part about McNabb. I don't think after 10 years with the Eagles he has the quick learning ability anymore to learn an offense completely opposite what he has been doing. His skills are also diminished greatly. I would rather put Rex back in there if we can give him a better OLine. He showed he could make the plays, he just doesn't have a good internal clock for pressure, so if we can keep the pressure off of him with good line play it should give the potential to improve the offense much more than by sticking with McNabb. I don't think McNabb will improve anymore in this system at his age.

OK, McNabb or Grossman...one of them, not a rookie QB.

The line needs more help than the QB position. Improve the line, improve the QB automatically...hopefully.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Buster

OK, McNabb or Grossman...one of them, not a rookie QB.

The line needs more help than the QB position. Improve the line, improve the QB automatically...hopefully.

I agree. I think our first three priorities are OLB, DE and OLine. Not necessarily in that order. I think we can get an OG in free agency and I would like to see us draft Von Miller in the first and a center in the 2nd. My strategy anyway.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

Jim Kelly
Bernie Kosar
Vinny Testeverde


Oh wait...wrong school....and decade.


I do agree with you about QB concerns with DRAFTED QBs. I'd rather spend these picks on the O-line and LB and roll out with McNabb again.

I was interested in your reply until your mentioning of McNabb!!

Donovan does not fit here if he continues to prepare himself as he has in the past. McNabb is not excited about playing the game for our offense, at least it seems that way to me. You would think that with all the years he has in the NFL, he could mustard up a better performance than what he has presented thus far.

Not sold on him.