Carson Palmer demands trade, threatens to retire...

[Chico23231]

I dont like the angle of "threatin retirement", think that is kinda weak and I question his love of the game. I heard he wanted to play on the west coast which is not good for us, but I would still make a pitch for this guy as long as it doenst involve a 1 or 2nd. Haynesworth might be an option to go.

I was all for bringin in McNabb and would be for Carson...I think both are pretty equal in ability, with McNabb it wasnt a system fit, if Shanny thinks its a better fit with Carson, pull the trigger. I think its better than over paying and taking any of those garbage projects at 10 in the draft or seeing Grossman fail next year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I dont like the angle of "threatin retirement", think that is kinda weak and I question his love of the game. I heard he wanted to play on the west coast which is not good for us, but I would still make a pitch for this guy as long as it doenst involve a 1 or 2nd. Haynesworth might be an option to go.

I was all for bringin in McNabb and would be for Carson...I think both are pretty equal in ability, with McNabb it wasnt a system fit, if Shanny thinks its a better fit with Carson, pull the trigger. I think its better than over paying and taking any of those garbage projects at 10 in the draft or seeing Grossman fail next year.

So cam newton is garbage? Sorry he just won the heisman and a national champ.. Come on man seriously

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So cam newton is garbage? Sorry he just won the heisman and a national champ.. Come on man seriously

Those arguments don't work in your favor. Plenty of people have won Heismans and national championships in college football and haven't amounted to ish in the NFL.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mooby

Those arguments don't work in your favor. Plenty of people have won Heismans and national championships in college football and haven't amounted to ish in the NFL.

Ok I understand that BUT how can you call anyone garbage that hasn't rem had a chance?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Ok I understand that BUT how can you call anyone garbage that hasn't rem had a chance?

Well his body of work in college this year has been impressive, but he has one year of college football experience and while he has been impressive throwing and running, he needs a lot more work before he's ready to be a quarterback at the NFL level. He could easily be a bust if he just comes in and assumes his natural talent will let him succeed at the NFL level.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Just for giggles, here are the QBs who have won the Heisman Trophy in the last 50 years.

Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Troy Smith
Matt Leinart
Jason White
Carson Palmer
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerfel
Charlie Ward
Gino Toretta
Ty Detmer
AndreWare
Vinny Testeverde
Doug Flutie
Pat Sullivan
Jim Plunkett
Gary Beban - - drafted by the Redskins by the way
Steve Spurrier
John Huarte
Roger Staubach
Terry Baker


The jury is still out on Bradford, Tebow, Troy Smith, Leinart and Palmer. Of the retired ones, only Plunkett and Staubach amounted to much in the NFL.


Touting a QB as anything close to a "sure thing" for the pros based on his winning the Heisman Trophy is not supported by data.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just for giggles, here are the QBs who have won the Heisman Trophy in the last 50 years.

Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Troy Smith
Matt Leinart
Jason White
Carson Palmer
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerfel
Charlie Ward
Gino Toretta
Ty Detmer
AndreWare
Vinny Testeverde
Doug Flutie
Pat Sullivan
Jim Plunkett
Gary Beban - - drafted by the Redskins by the way
Steve Spurrier
John Huarte
Roger Staubach
Terry Baker


The jury is still out on Bradford, Tebow, Troy Smith, Leinart and Palmer. Of the retired ones, only Plunkett and Staubach amounted to much in the NFL.


Touting a QB as anything close to a "sure thing" for the pros based on his winning the Heisman Trophy is not supported by data.

Flutie was a winner when he started in Buffalo. Also, Charlie Ward started for years on pretty good Knicks teams!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So cam newton is garbage? Sorry he just won the heisman and a national champ.. Come on man seriously

heisman means zero.....he a decent prospect but a project. This is the 10th pick...not late first round. I expect to get a player who is ready to start and contribute. Cam needs to sit the bench at least a year maybe more and seriously study and learn to read coverages. In the NFL dont go under center before the snap and then look to the side line for the coachs to change the play because you cant read coverages. Cam is like Tebow, half his game in college was running the ball, take that away what do you have? I just dont like him at 10

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

heisman means zero.....he a decent prospect but a project. This is the 10th pick...not late first round. I expect to get a player who is ready to start and contribute. Cam needs to sit the bench at least a year maybe more and seriously study and learn to read coverages. In the NFL dont go under center before the snap and then look to the side line for the coachs to change the play because you cant read coverages. Cam is like Tebow, half his game in college was running the ball, take that away what do you have? I just dont like him at 10

I agree with you on this but can't say he's garbage that's all I was saying.. Plus if we are bringing in a QB as a rookie he'd probably sit anyway.. Why give up picks for Palmer when Rex is already here ?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I agree with you on this but can't say he's garbage that's all I was saying.. Plus if we are bringing in a QB as a rookie he'd probably sit anyway.. Why give up picks for Palmer when Rex is already here ?

Why would the Patriots have put Brady back in when they just won 11 games with Matt Cassel?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why would the Patriots have put Brady back in when they just won 11 games with Matt Cassel?

Haha ok u should just stop now GT.. You know just as well as I do that Tom Brady is one of the best ever, Palmer is a bum compared to Brady.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Haha ok u should just stop now GT.. You know just as well as I do that Tom Brady is one of the best ever, Palmer is a bum compared to Brady.

The gap between Grossman and Palmer is larger than the one between Palmer and Brady. Denying this, I don't believe is a matter of opinion, I think it's just dishonest. Which is why your explanation for not needing Palmer because of Grossman was inane.

We need our high draft picks a lot more than we need Carson Palmer, but he's the best quarterback available.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why would the Patriots have put Brady back in when they just won 11 games with Matt Cassel?

Because they won more with Brady.

I'm not trying to trash Palmer but he just hasn't been that good. He'll be a good fit for some team, I just don't think it's us. I'd seriously rather ride it on Grossman or McNabb unless we can get Palmer as a free agent. Palmer is one of my fave QBs from the past decade but I think that the ship has sailed on us going after guys like this.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Because they won more with Brady.

I'm not trying to trash Palmer but he just hasn't been that good. He'll be a good fit for some team, I just don't think it's us. I'd seriously rather ride it on Grossman or McNabb unless we can get Palmer as a free agent. Palmer is one of my fave QBs from the past decade but I think that the ship has sailed on us going after guys like this.

Too bad our illustrious coach didn't realize this last offseason.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why would the Patriots have put Brady back in when they just won 11 games with Matt Cassel?

Why would the Colts trade Peyton Manning and a first round pick to the Pats for Tom Brady and a fourth rounder?

Because it would be the right thing to do.

What's the question again?