Is locker going in the first or second?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by juskins

I don't think you can blame it on his OL, totally. The first day of the Senior Bowl practice he was having those same issues. His second practice day was better. Having natural ability and not putting it to use is as bad as drafting a lesser talented QB further into the draft.

Defense needs addressing more so than a QB in the first or second round.

I'm not blaming his OL but stating that they're not good is pretty much a fact.
I think if Locker played behind Stanford's OL he wouldn't have these question marks.
And Locker wasn't the only QB that was off target.
I think he used every bit of ability to take that Washington team to a bowl game.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm not blaming his OL but stating that they're not good is pretty much a fact.
I think if Locker played behind Stanford's OL he wouldn't have these question marks.
And Locker wasn't the only QB that was off target.
I think he used every bit of ability to take that Washington team to a bowl game.

Having a quick release and the ability to process defenses quickly enough can be a difference maker to improve your in-the-pocket efficiency. If you listen to the critiques of Locker by the draft experts, they say that he cannot at this stage handle a pro-set offense because he looks lost due to the fact that he does not go through his progressions and starts to panic.

But the guy looks as if he will get it together someday with familiarity of running a NFL style offense. Practice, practice and more practice will atone his misgivings.

At number #10, I would prefer going in a different direction by selecting a defensive player.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by juskins

Having a quick release and the ability to process defenses quickly enough can be a difference maker to improve your in-the-pocket efficiency.

Locker does have a quick release and Locker does get the ball out quickly that's is the entire design of Washington's offense get the ball out quick and move the pocket to offset their lack of pass protection.

If you listen to the critiques of Locker by the draft experts, they say that he cannot at this stage handle a pro-set offense because he looks lost due to the fact that he does not go through his progressions and starts to panic.

No offense but right now i think you're starting to slip into the internet forum habit of just throwing things out there.

I haven't read anything like what you mention at all and I read a lot of the draft reports.
Locker's offense at Washington was mostly pro-set although you probably mean pro-style.
Now you're saying that Locker panics and doesn't go throw his progressions?
Those are kinda ambiguos claims to refute but every QB goes through progressions even Cam Newton and being that Locker plays in a pro-style offense he makes more progressions then other college QBs especially spread QBs.
As far as panic goes one of Locker's strongest traits is the ability to make plays on the run which kinda flies in the face of claim that he panics.

Again, if Locker played behind Luck's OL their would be no questions about his abilities in the pocket b/c his pocket would always be clean.

[juskins]

No offense but right now i think you're starting to slip into the internet forum habit of just throwing things out there.

I haven't read anything like what you mention at all and I read a lot of the draft reports.

This is CBS Sports.com:

"Kaepernick, Locker make different last impressions

By Rob Rang
The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
Jan. 26, 2011Tell Rob your opinion!

NFL scouts leave Mobile en masse Wednesday night and Thursday morning, making Wednesday's practice impressions incredibly important.

The focus of the morning practice was again the North team quarterbacks: Jake Locker (Washington), Colin Kaepernick (Nevada) and Ricky Stanzi (Iowa).

Jake Locker again struggles with accuracy during Wednesday's practice. (AP)

The best passer on the field was Kaepernick, who threw tight spirals to either side of the field, had an exceptional touch throw into the back right corner of the end zone, and looked smooth and fluid running out of the pocket when his primary receiver was covered. When he sets his feet and throws a tight ball, Kaepernick's velocity is more than what's needed to make every NFL throw.

His delivery is still an issue -- he winds up a bit and sometimes stops at the top of the delivery before unleashing. One of his passes to the far side of the field was knocked down by a linebacker dropped into coverage -- partially because of the pause, and partially because Kaepernick didn't read the linebacker. The elongation is not as bad as that shown by Tim Tebow and Byron Leftwich in recent years, but will need to be addressed once in an NFL camp.

Tuesday's practice seemed to be a step forward for Locker, who needed to make a solid impression all week to become more than a fantastic athlete with potential. Wednesday he struggled again to connect consistently with receivers while standing in the pocket, coming up short on multiple throws to the wide side of the field. It is clear the Pac-10 star passer is aiming or pressing, trying to be perfect on every throw instead of allowing his athleticism and arm strength to shine through.

If Locker cannot exhibit NFL-caliber accuracy on seam or out routes when playing against air in one-on-one drills, or even against a half-effort pass rush in team scrimmages, it is hard to project him doing it during his NFL career."


Don't mean to show disrespect to you by chopping up your response to my post but believe me I really think Locker is a talented athlete but for whatever reason he seems to be pressing too hard. And by doing so, is not show casing the qualities you claim he has. I am not that impress with his "YouTube" highlights.

I am not talking out of my rear end when I think he is not that great.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by juskins

Don't mean to show disrespect to you by chopping up your response to my post but believe me I really think Locker is a talented athlete but for whatever reason he seems to be pressing too hard. And by doing so, is not show casing the qualities you claim he has. I am not that impress with his "YouTube" highlights.

I am not talking out of my rear end when I think he is not that great.

None taken at all and i hope you don't fell disrespected either.
I was responding to some specific statements you made that i disagree with.
Although i would rather you responded to my statements rather then quote a summary of a Senior Bowl which doesn't address the specific points i disagreed with.

If you think Locker is great i have no problem with that at all, we're all gonna have different opinions.

But, you made specific statements that i thought were untrue and addressed those specific statements:

Locker does have a quick release and Locker does get the ball out quickly that's is the entire design of Washington's offense get the ball out quick and move the pocket to offset their lack of pass protection.

Locker's offense at Washington was mostly pro-set although you probably mean pro-style.
Now you're saying that Locker panics and doesn't go throw his progressions?
Those are kinda ambiguos claims to refute but every QB goes through progressions even Cam Newton and being that Locker plays in a pro-style offense he makes more progressions then other college QBs especially spread QBs.
As far as panic goes one of Locker's strongest traits is the ability to make plays on the run which kinda flies in the face of claim that he panics.

Again, if Locker played behind Luck's OL their would be no questions about his abilities in the pocket b/c his pocket would always be clean.

Something is always lost in translation on internet forums and i hope you take this as a discussion not an argument.

Hail!
BTW-Re: "Youtube Highights"
Locker and many of the top prospects have entire game short-cuts available on youtube which are quite different from highlights b/c its the all the offensive plays.
Also, i've watched about 7 Washington games this year not just highlights.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

None taken at all and i hope you don't fell disrespected either.
I was responding to some specific statements you made that i disagree with.
Although i would rather you responded to my statements rather then quote a summary of a Senior Bowl which doesn't address the specific points i disagreed with.

If you think Locker is great i have no problem with that at all, we're all gonna have different opinions.

But, you made specific statements that i thought were untrue and addressed those specific statements:


Something is always lost in translation on internet forums and i hope you take this as a discussion not an argument.

Hail!
BTW-Re: "Youtube Highights"
Locker and many of the top prospects have entire game short-cuts available on youtube which are quite different from highlights b/c its the all the offensive plays.
Also, i've watched about 7 Washington games this year not just highlights.

I am not a Locker or Newton backer. I would hope we address the defensive line or LBer positions in the first.

I used the CBS Sports article to make a point that I am not the typical internet quote master of the media's ranting about their favorites. On the contrary, I looked at Locker's highlights and saw the same generic gamesmanship that the so called first rounders share - it looks canned ability, nothing stands out. Locker's release doesn't look any quicker than the article I used to make a comparison with Kaepernick's release.

At this point and stage of his brief career, Locker does not look like a first rounder or even a project. Just my own opinion.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by juskins

I am not a Locker or Newton backer.......Locker's release doesn't look any quicker than the article I used to make a comparison with Kaepernick's release.

At this point and stage of his brief career, Locker does not look like a first rounder or even a project. Just my own opinion.

I like most of this years crop of QBs.
I like QBs in general: Newton, Locker and Gabbert, Stanzi, Kaepernick, Dalton, Tyrod, Jerrod Johnson.
I think that Locker is the best in the group though.

I think even people that don't like Locker admit that his release is much quicker then Kaepernick's.