Updated Title: World Revolution 2011

[firstdown]

You mean the unprovoked illegal war that Obama has started.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You mean the unprovoked illegal war that Obama has started.

Not unprovoked: Qaddafy struck first

Not illegal: the action was approved by the UN and is not in violation of principles of international law

This action is nothing like the unprovoked illegal action in Iraq of March 2003.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not unprovoked: Qaddafy struck first

Not illegal: the action was approved by the UN and is not in violation of principles of international law

This action is nothing like the unprovoked illegal action in Iraq of March 2003.

Did he strike us first? Or did he just strike first? Or are we talking about 1985 here?

I don't know that this had to be done now. On the other hand, most people here are old enough to remember when Gaddafi was enemy #1 back in the '80s, the Saddam and Bin Laden combined of his day. In other words, maybe this should have been done a long time ago.

Now...what will he do about Yemen?

By the way, so much for Obama doing nothing while on vacation in Rio, eh firstdown?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not unprovoked: Qaddafy struck first

Not illegal: the action was approved by the UN and is not in violation of principles of international law

This action is nothing like the unprovoked illegal action in Iraq of March 2003.

Really so the un now has control over who we have a war with. When did we change our Constitution and how did he strike first? Last I checked we struck him first.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Really so the un now has control over who we have a war with. When did we change our Constitution and how did he strike first? Last I checked we struck him first.

This is not the same as the Iraq war. This is much more like the '90's action in Kosovo.

Give it up, dude. Your partisan arguments do not apply here.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

This is not the same as the Iraq war. This is much more like the '90's action in Kosovo.

Give it up, dude. Your partisan arguments do not apply here.

Partisan? I'm just applying the lefts standards to them. Whats wrong with that? I guess they are not against nation building any more either.

I notice you use a Bill Clinton war. LOL

Souldn't we be going after the Somalia Pirates that have actual attacked us several times.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You mean the unprovoked illegal war that Obama has started.

Dont you mean Bush?
Cause I heard the exact same phrase over and over years ago with his name tagged on it.

[12thMan]

Whatever the case may be, I think we have remove him at all costs and not drag this out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Whatever the case may be, I think we have remove him at all costs and not drag this out.

This.

[KLHJ2]

At least we are not sending ground troops. They are strung out enough.

[CRedskinsRule]

The hypocrisy of our political process is amazing. Or better said the hoops people will jump through to justify the actions of their party leaders is amazing. Here we are firing over 100 cruise missiles (at a cost probably around 65 million dollars) at another arab country. And now even the Arab league which supported a no fly zone is saying that the airstrikes are overly aggressive.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The hypocrisy of our political process is amazing. Or better said the hoops people will jump through to justify the actions of their party leaders is amazing. Here we are firing over 100 cruise missiles (at a cost probably in the hundreds of millions of dollars) at another arab country. And now even the Arab league which supported a no fly zone is saying that the airstrikes are overly aggressive.

CRed, personally I worry about those costs. As you indicated, those Tomahawks are not cheap.

However, if the international community is going to do this, it ought to be done right. Aircraft, anti-aircraft sites, radar sites, and other heavy hardware would have to be taken out to support a no-fly zone. It is difficult for me, and the Arab League for that matter, to adjudge exactly how much strike is needed to do this and how much might be superfluous.

What really concerns me are the comments that what has happened represents only the first wave of attacks. I wonder what is yet to happen.

[12thMan]

This was going to largely be a US led intervention regardless of what country struck Libyan targets first. This is the unfortunate price of being the most powerful nation in the world.

It was a little sad to see John McCain and Lindsey Graham criticizing the goverenment and the president for not acting sooner, as if the situation would be that much better without any international support.

CRed, I think each cruise cost about a mil per, so yeah do the math. It's crazy how we cry about the deficit incessantly, yet place a fleet of war ships off the coast of Tripoli and bomb away.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

This was going to largely be a US led intervention regardless of what country struck Libyan targets first. This is the unfortunate price of being the most powerful nation in the world.

It was a little sad to see John McCain and Lindsey Graham criticizing the goverenment and the president for not acting sooner, as if the situation would be that much better without any international support.

CRed, I think each cruise cost about a mil per, so yeah do the math. It's crazy how we cry about the deficit incessantly, yet place a fleet of war ships off the coast of Tripoli and bomb away.

I heard that you could get them for about 900K on e-bay. Craigslist might have a better deal though.

Seriously, I scoff at those prices after the R&D has been performed the cost of manufacturing is not that high. I sometimes feel that people arbitrarily throw those cost numbers around to support their agenda; just like the article that estimated the cost of the Super Bowl flyover. In reality it's money already spent.

[saden1]

The process and poor execution is what pisses of people. I am willing to spend 1 million dollar per Tomahawk to protect civilians...always have, always will.