D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[Chico23231]

Im sure people will still hate D Hall, guy made his case yet again why he deserved to be on the probowl roster. Its truely funny and sad skins fans continue to hate literrally the only true playmaker on this team. It would be nice to include Laron, but he cant stay on the field long enough to be considered.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im sure people will still hate D Hall, guy made his case yet again why he deserved to be on the probowl roster. Its truely funny and sad skins fans continue to hate literrally the only true playmaker on this team. It would be nice to include Laron, but he cant stay on the field long enough to be considered.

We just have to realize that some of these younger 'skins fans don't know what it means to have pride in their favorite team. They grow up during the losing years and all they know how to do is to hate on the team and to shoot down any positives the team, or its players receive.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

We just have to realize that some of these younger 'skins fans don't know what it means to have pride in their favorite team. They grow up during the losing years and all they know how to do is to hate on the team and to shoot down any positives the team, or its players receive.

You just don't understand what it means to "keep it real".

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You just don't understand what it means to "keep it real".

Hahaha, apparently not!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You just don't understand what it means to "keep it real".

Oh right....ya know the more I think about it, D Hall just got "lucky" alot this year

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im sure people will still hate D Hall, guy made his case yet again why he deserved to be on the probowl roster. Its truely funny and sad skins fans continue to hate literrally the only true playmaker on this team. It would be nice to include Laron, but he cant stay on the field long enough to be considered.

Sure he's a playmaker, but he's also a huge liability as well. Think Allen Iverson. AI lead the league in steals (and scoring) on numerous occasions, yet failed to make a single NBA All-Defensive first or second team his entire career. You got to ask yourself why is that? How can a man lead the league in steals, yet not even get a whiff of the all-defense team. I tell you why, it's because he was a gambler. He left his man on many occasions and played the passing lanes. In the end, it look good on paper, but it cost his team games and created a huge liability on the defensive end.

I equate that with D-Hall. The guy is a play maker, but consistency is where it's at in the league, not ESPN highlights. You can't get 4 INTs in one game, and turn around and let some scrub WR beat you on a deep route to win the game because you aren't disciplined enough to play the position.

Any Redskin fans talking about "younger fans" and other bull shit. Listen, I'm damn near 40 years old and I've seen the Skins in their glory years so it has nothing to do with the crap this other guy was saying a few posts back. It's called "being a realist". I can cheer on my favorite team without being a clueless homer that believes that their players are more valuable or have no flaws.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Sure he's a playmaker, but he's also a huge liability as well. Think Allen Iverson. AI lead the league in steals (and scoring) on numerous occasions, yet failed to make a single NBA All-Defensive first or second team his entire career. You got to ask yourself why is that? How can a man lead the league in steals, yet not even get a whiff of the all-defense team. I tell you why, it's because he was a gambler. He left his man on many occasions and played the passing lanes. In the end, it look good on paper, but it cost his team games and created a huge liability on the defensive end.

I equate that with D-Hall. The guy is a play maker, but consistency is where it's at in the league, not ESPN highlights. You can't get 4 INTs in one game, and turn around and let some scrub WR beat you on a deep route to win the game because you aren't disciplined enough to play the position.

Any Redskin fans talking about "younger fans" and other bull shit. Listen, I'm damn near 40 years old and I've seen the Skins in their glory years so it has nothing to do with the crap this other guy was saying a few posts back. It's called "being a realist". I can cheer on my favorite team without being a clueless homer that believes that their players are more valuable or have no flaws.

LOL, strike a nerve?...hes still a probowler x 3 and an Probowl MVP at that...look to other areas of the team, at CB we are solid. He may cost he team plays... but games? Nope, dont buy that.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Sure he's a playmaker, but he's also a huge liability as well. Think Allen Iverson. AI lead the league in steals (and scoring) on numerous occasions, yet failed to make a single NBA All-Defensive first or second team his entire career. You got to ask yourself why is that? How can a man lead the league in steals, yet not even get a whiff of the all-defense team. I tell you why, it's because he was a gambler. He left his man on many occasions and played the passing lanes. In the end, it look good on paper, but it cost his team games and created a huge liability on the defensive end.

I equate that with D-Hall. The guy is a play maker, but consistency is where it's at in the league, not ESPN highlights. You can't get 4 INTs in one game, and turn around and let some scrub WR beat you on a deep route to win the game because you aren't disciplined enough to play the position.

Any Redskin fans talking about "younger fans" and other bull shit. Listen, I'm damn near 40 years old and I've seen the Skins in their glory years so it has nothing to do with the crap this other guy was saying a few posts back. It's called "being a realist". I can cheer on my favorite team without being a clueless homer that believes that their players are more valuable or have no flaws.

I'd rather think Brett Farve. leads the league in INT's yet...
List of career achievements by Brett Favre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Sure he's a playmaker, but he's also a huge liability as well. Think Allen Iverson. AI lead the league in steals (and scoring) on numerous occasions, yet failed to make a single NBA All-Defensive first or second team his entire career. You got to ask yourself why is that? How can a man lead the league in steals, yet not even get a whiff of the all-defense team. I tell you why, it's because he was a gambler. He left his man on many occasions and played the passing lanes. In the end, it look good on paper, but it cost his team games and created a huge liability on the defensive end.

I equate that with D-Hall. The guy is a play maker, but consistency is where it's at in the league, not ESPN highlights. You can't get 4 INTs in one game, and turn around and let some scrub WR beat you on a deep route to win the game because you aren't disciplined enough to play the position.

Any Redskin fans talking about "younger fans" and other bull shit. Listen, I'm damn near 40 years old and I've seen the Skins in their glory years so it has nothing to do with the crap this other guy was saying a few posts back. It's called "being a realist". I can cheer on my favorite team without being a clueless homer that believes that their players are more valuable or have no flaws.

Well, I guess that was directed at me. Likewise, I think it is just as equally unrealistic and clueless to down those who happen to applaud the players on our team who receive positive accolades. I mean, nobody here is saying D. Hall is the greatest CB to ever play the game, I don't think that at all, but I'm proud he was voted into the Pro Bowl and that he was the MVP. I mean, I here a lot of negativity from these fan sites every day, and a lot of it is just plain out belly-aching. You have people who say that D. Hall didn't deserve to play in the Pro Bowl, then when he plays well and receives honors at the game, then the same people say that the Pro Bowl is just a joke anyways. I mean, regardless what you think about the player, can't the fans be happy for them when they do something right?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, I guess that was directed at me. Likewise, I think it is just as equally unrealistic and clueless to down those who happen to applaud the players on our team who receive positive accolades. I mean, nobody here is saying D. Hall is the greatest CB to ever play the game, I don't think that at all, but I'm proud he was voted into the Pro Bowl and that he was the MVP. I mean, I here a lot of negativity from these fan sites every day, and a lot of it is just plain out belly-aching. You have people who say that D. Hall didn't deserve to play in the Pro Bowl, then when he plays well and receives honors at the game, then the same people say that the Pro Bowl is just a joke anyways. I mean, regardless what you think about the player, can't the fans be happy for them when they do something right?

I equate football to politics. While the majority will be happy you will never be able to appease a certain minority no matter what you do or say.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

LOL, strike a nerve?...hes still a probowler x 3 and an Probowl MVP at that...look to other areas of the team, at CB we are solid. He may cost he team plays... but games? Nope, dont buy that.

You spout that "3 TIME PRO-BOWLER" like it means something. The end of his time in Atlanta and up the Skins tenure, he was one of the worst rated CBs in the game in terms of passes allowed (from the stats i've seen in articles). If you dont think his play hasn't cost us games, I suggest you review some of the games this year. Wasn't it the week after he shot his mouth off in the media about covering the best guy on the team, that he got his ass burned by some no named WR from the Rams? Yeah, that would be correct. Let's not even talk about that fiasco the year prior where he allowed JAKE DELHOLMME to drag his ass 7 yards for a first down to put the game away.

BUT BUT BUT HE'S A PRO BOWLER....lol

Kudos to him for having a good game in the Pro-Bowl. A game where they half ass it and most of the people elected don't even bother showing up. When they make the Pro-Bowl mean something (like giving the NFC/AFC home field advantage in Superbowl) then let me know.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, I guess that was directed at me. Likewise, I think it is just as equally unrealistic and clueless to down those who happen to applaud the players on our team who receive positive accolades. I mean, nobody here is saying D. Hall is the greatest CB to ever play the game, I don't think that at all, but I'm proud he was voted into the Pro Bowl and that he was the MVP. I mean, I here a lot of negativity from these fan sites every day, and a lot of it is just plain out belly-aching. You have people who say that D. Hall didn't deserve to play in the Pro Bowl, then when he plays well and receives honors at the game, then the same people say that the Pro Bowl is just a joke anyways. I mean, regardless what you think about the player, can't the fans be happy for them when they do something right?

First off, I've never downed anybody who's applauding any of the SKins selection to the Pro-Bowl. It's really a personal choice if you think the guy deserves it or not. I've always thought the guy could be the best CB this game has seen, but he simply doesn't have the discipline to play the position like he should. Look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The guy hardly gets any Ints (unlike D. Hall), but yet he's 10 times the better CB than D. Hall. Why? Because simply QBs won't even throw in his direction nor does he give up TDs. It's funny that D. Hall was paired with this guy and who was the individual that continually got burnt to a point they let him go after 8 games (after giving up a 2nd rounder and tons of cash).

BUT BUT I SAW HIM ON ESPN MAKING A PLAY!!! HE'S GOT TO BE GOOOD!!! No, not really. Perception is everything. Reality is generally something totally different.

I'm not a D. Hall hater, I just see D. Hall for what he is. A play maker who's also unreliable and inconsistent. Truth be told, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If you dont think his play hasn't cost us games, I suggest you review some of the games this year. Wasn't it the week after he shot his mouth off in the media about covering the best guy on the team, that he got his ass burned by some no named WR from the Rams? Yeah, that would be correct. Let's not even talk about that fiasco the year prior where he allowed JAKE DELHOLMME to drag his ass 7 yards for a first down to put the game away.

Wasn't he also the guy responsible for giving us the win against the Cowboys? Yeah, that would be correct.

Look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The guy hardly gets any Ints (unlike D. Hall), but yet he's 10 times the better CB than D. Hall. Why? Because simply QBs won't even throw in his direction nor does he give up TDs. It's funny that D. Hall was paired with this guy and who was the individual that continually got burnt to a point they let him go after 8 games (after giving up a 2nd rounder and tons of cash).

Well I guess if QB's didn't throw passes D. Halls way, he wouldn't give up TD's. either.

BUT I SAW HIM ON ESPN MAKING A PLAY!!! HE'S GOT TO BE GOOOD!!! No, not really. Perception is everything. Reality is generally something totally different.

Right perception is what you are demonstrating. Reality is D. Hall is "one of" the best CB's in the league. And a Pro Bowl MVP. Who leads the league in INT's and tackles among CB's.

, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall

But unfortunatly for Rogers, Hall is the better all around CB. Tipped balls don't change games momentum or turn into TD's as much as INT's do. Rogers is not even close to the CB Hall is. If he was then Rogers would be 2011 Pro Bowl MVP. Or at least be in the Pro Bowl. Right?

HTTR!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Right perception is what you are demonstrating. Reality is D. Hall is "one of" the best CB's in the league. And a Pro Bowl MVP. Who leads the league in INT's and tackles among CB's.

But unfortunatly for Rogers, Hall is the better all around CB. Tipped balls don't change games momentum or turn into TD's as much as INT's do. Rogers is not even close to the CB Hall is. If he was then Rogers would be 2011 Pro Bowl MVP. Right?

I can tell you have very little knowledge of the game of football. I liked this article about the best CBs in the league when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Oakland's CB tandem No. 1? Insiders rank five better - NFL - CBSSports.com Football

As for their cornerbacks, they should make for a good tandem, and, yes, they could wind up being one of the league's best.

I said could. Because while Nnamdi Asomugha is terrific, Hall is erratic and unreliable -- a talented player who thinks he's better than he is and who is coming off two subpar seasons.

Notice what he said about talented player who thinks he's better than he is. Back up by a defensive coordinator who pretty much says the same thing.

"The only way the Raiders are the best pair of cornerbacks," said an AFC defensive coordinator, "is when Hall is doing the evaluating. It's like he's a self-proclaimed Muhammad Ali.

"But Oakland has its cornerbacks playing man-to-man most of the game, and that's tough. So you're going to notice them, just as you're going to notice cornerbacks in schemes that depend more on that position than in defenses like Indianapolis, Tampa Bay or Chicago."

Still, Hall and Asomugha are not in a league of their own. Not yet anyway, though one secondary coach conceded that "if Hall plays to his potential and (Asomugha) has a good year they might be the best."

Comments above from a AFC def coordinator back when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Not satisfied with people's opinion? Let's go to the stats. Below are stats from the 2008 season.

Updated CB power rankings - The Official San Diego Chargers Forum

This guy presents hard proof that D. Hall has and was been one of the worst rated CBs in the game.

1. Nnamdi Asomugha (1)
Last Week (vs. ATL): 0 attempts, 5 yards
Season Total: 11 attempts, 3.82 YPA, 54.55 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

2. Sheldon Brown (4)
Last Week (vs. SEA): 7 attempts, 7 yards, 4 INC forced
Season Total: 30 attempts, 3.10 YPA, 46.67 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

3. Corey Webster (2)
Last Week (vs. DAL): 6 attempts, 36 yards, 4 INC forced, 1 TD
Season Total: 34 attempts, 3.65 YPA, 55.88 Forced INC%, 1 TD

4. Charles Woodson (3)
Last Week (vs. TEN): 5 attempts, 26 yards, 2 INC forced
Season Total: 41 attempts, 4.37 YPA, 63.41 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

5. Al Harris (13)
Last Week (vs. TEN): 4 attempts, 0 yards, 4 INC forced
Season Total: 19 attempts, 3.58 YPA, 63.16 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

6. Darrelle Revis (10)
Last Week (vs. BUF): 1 attempt, 0 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 35 attempts, 5.23 YPA, 51.43 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

7. Carlos Rogers (7)
Last Week (vs. PIT): 14 attempts, 87 yards, 9 INC forced, 1 TD
Season Total: 72 attempts, 5.51 YPA, 50.00 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

8. Ronald Bartell (5)
Last Week (vs. ARZ): 9 attempts, 68 yards, 3 INC forced
Season Total: 47 attempts, 5.85 YPA, 42.55 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

9. Cortland Finnegan (6)
Last Week (vs. GB): 10 attempts, 79 yards, 7 INC forced
Season Total: 50 attempts, 6.50 YPA, 46.00 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

10. Antoine Winfield (14)
Last Week (vs. HOU): 2 attempts, 7 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 27 attempts, 5.26 YPA, 48.15 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

11. Jabari Greer (9)
Last Week (vs. NYJ): 5 attempts, 27 yards, 3 INC forced
Season Total: 45 attempts, 5.33 YPA, 44.44 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

12. Quentin Jammer (11)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 45 attempts, 5.49 YPA, 42.22 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

13. Nick Harper (8)
Last Week (vs. GB): 8 attempts, 90 yards, 2 INC forced
Season Total: 50 attempts, 5.56 YPA, 36.00 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

14. Phillip Buchanon (12)
Last Week (vs. KC): 3 attempts, 56 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 39 attempts, 5.67 YPA, 38.46 Forced INC%, 1 TD

15. Kelvin Hayden (15)
Last Week (vs. NE): Did not play (injured)
Season Total: 15 attempts, 4.00 YPA, 53.33 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

16. Rashean Mathis (16)
Last Week (vs. CIN): 7 attempts, 37 yards, 1 INC forced, 2 TDs
Season Total: 39 attempts, 6.23 YPA, 43.59 Forced INC%, 3 TDs

17. Bryant McFadden (17)
Last Week (vs. WAS): Did not play (injured)
Season Total: 41 attempts, 5.44 YPA, 31.71 Forced INC%, 1 TD

18. Antoine Cason (19)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 33 attempts, 5.30 YPA, 21.21 Forced INC%, 1 TD

19. Richard Marshall (22)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 18 attempts, 5.06 YPA, 22.22 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

20. Mike Jenkins (18)
Last Week (vs. NYG): 9 attempts, 52 yards, 2 INC forced, 1 TD
Season Total: 30 attempts, 5.57 YPA, 30.00 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

21. Kevin Dockery (20)
Last Week (vs. DAL): Did not play (injured)
Season Total: 26 attempts, 5.15 YPA, 26.92 Forced INC%, 0 TDs

22. Stanford Routt (21)
Last Week: 1 attempt, 27 yards, 1 TD
Season Total: 16 attempts, 5.00 YPA, 56.25 Forced INC%, 2 TDs

23. Asante Samuel (NR)
Last Week (vs. SEA): 4 attempts, 0 yards, 2 INC forced
Season Total: 43 attempts, 6.79 YPA, 39.53 Forced INC%, 3 TDs

24. Chris Houston (24)
Last Week (vs. OAK): 3 attempts, 7 yards, 1 INC forced
Season Total: 48 attempts, 6.69 YPA, 35.42 Forced INC%, 1 TD

25. Mike McKenzie (25)
Last Week: BYE
Season Total: 26 attempts, 7.12 YPA, 34.62 Forced INC%, 1 TD

Top 10 most thrown at CBs

1. Carlos Rogers (72)
2. DeAngelo Hall (64)
3. Charles Tillman (56)
4. Chris Gamble (53)
5. Andre Goodman (52)
6T. Antonio Cromartie (50)
6T. Cortland Finnegan (50)
6T. Nick Harper (50)
6T. Brent Grimes (50)
6T. Dwight Lowery (50)

2006:
DeAngelo Hall
Targeted: 87 times
Yards allowed: 798 (2nd worst in NFL)
YPA: 9.2 (76th in the NFL)

2007:
DeAngelo Hall
Targeted: 69 times
Yards allowed: 539
YPA: 7.8 (54th in the NFL)

Did Al Davis watch any game film before making the decision to bring him in? It seems like all he did was turn on Madden 08 to see that Hall was fast and rated highly. That was enough for him to give up the farm to bring him in. Hall has never had a good CB playing on the other side of the field, so you would think that would make QBs throw away from him, but that wasn’t the case. He was beat and beat often by average WRs. So how was he REALLY performing in Oakland?

2008:
DeAngelo Hall
Targeted: 64 times (2nd most in NFL)
Catches allowed: 41 (most in NFL)
Yards allowed: 581 (most in NFL)
YPA: 9.08 (13th worst amongst starters)
Forced Incompletion %: 20.31% (10th worst amongst qualifiers)

Guess what? I think he also led CBs this year in catches/yards allowed for a CB. So besides that precious Int number you are holding onto, you have any stats to back up your claim he's one of the best CBs in the game? Truthfully, nothing much has changed since those years either. He still gets a shareof INTs, but still gives up a ton of plays/TDs/Yards. Like I said, play maker that's unreliable and inconsistent.

QBs are consistently throwing his direction for a reason.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I can tell you have very little knowledge of the game of football. I liked this article about the best CBs in the league when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Oakland's CB tandem No. 1? Insiders rank five better - NFL - CBSSports.com Football



Notice what he said about talented player who thinks he's better than he is. Back up by a defensive coordinator who pretty much says the same thing.




Comments above from a AFC def coordinator back when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Not satisfied with people's opinion? Let's go to the stats. Below are stats from the 2008 season.

Updated CB power rankings - The Official San Diego Chargers Forum

This guy presents hard proof that D. Hall has and was been one of the worst rated CBs in the game.







Guess what? I think he also led CBs this year in catches/yards allowed for a CB. So besides that precious Int number you are holding onto, you have any stats to back up your claim he's one of the best CBs in the game? Truthfully, nothing much has changed since those years either. He still gets a shareof INTs, but still gives up a ton of plays/TDs/Yards. Like I said, play maker that's unreliable and inconsistent.

QBs are consistently throwing his direction for a reason.

How come your using old stats?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I can tell you have very little knowledge of the game of football. I liked this article about the best CBs in the league when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Oakland's CB tandem No. 1? Insiders rank five better - NFL - CBSSports.com Football



Notice what he said about talented player who thinks he's better than he is. Back up by a defensive coordinator who pretty much says the same thing.




Comments above from a AFC def coordinator back when D. Hall was with Oakland.

Not satisfied with people's opinion? Let's go to the stats. Below are stats from the 2008 season.

Updated CB power rankings - The Official San Diego Chargers Forum

This guy presents hard proof that D. Hall has and was been one of the worst rated CBs in the game.







Guess what? I think he also led CBs this year in catches/yards allowed for a CB. So besides that precious Int number you are holding onto, you have any stats to back up your claim he's one of the best CBs in the game? Truthfully, nothing much has changed since those years either. He still gets a shareof INTs, but still gives up a ton of plays/TDs/Yards. Like I said, play maker that's unreliable and inconsistent.

QBs are consistently throwing his direction for a reason.

You do know that it is the year 2011 and D. Hall plays on the Washington Redskins right?

Tell you what, since you exposed my lack of football knowledge with your bias articles from 2006-2008. I will just keep ignorantly watching as DeAngelo Hall makes game changing plays next season as a Redskin in 2011 and ends up back in another Pro Bowl. As for your boy Rogers, who you say is a better CB than Hall, not so sure.

But your the expert.