D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Kudos to him for having a good game in the Pro-Bowl. A game where they half ass it and most of the people elected don't even bother showing up. When they make the Pro-Bowl mean something (like giving the NFC/AFC home field advantage in Superbowl) then let me know.





First off, I've never downed anybody who's applauding any of the SKins selection to the Pro-Bowl. It's really a personal choice if you think the guy deserves it or not. I've always thought the guy could be the best CB this game has seen, but he simply doesn't have the discipline to play the position like he should. Look at Nnamdi Asomugha. The guy hardly gets any Ints (unlike D. Hall), but yet he's 10 times the better CB than D. Hall. Why? Because simply QBs won't even throw in his direction nor does he give up TDs. It's funny that D. Hall was paired with this guy and who was the individual that continually got burnt to a point they let him go after 8 games (after giving up a 2nd rounder and tons of cash).

BUT BUT I SAW HIM ON ESPN MAKING A PLAY!!! HE'S GOT TO BE GOOOD!!! No, not really. Perception is everything. Reality is generally something totally different.

I'm not a D. Hall hater, I just see D. Hall for what he is. A play maker who's also unreliable and inconsistent. Truth be told, Carlos Rogers plays the CB position better than D. Hall in terms of coverage. Too bad that kid has hands of stone or he'd be starting at CB in the pro-bowl OVER D. Hall.

I'm seeing a lot of double speak. You're saying your not downing those who appreciate Redskins making the Pro Bowl, but you're also saying they're homers and unrealistic. Then you down the Pro Bowl game itself and then question whether or not a certain player deserves to play in it or not. Then you say you don't dislike the guy, but you continue putting the guy down as if he's dirt. Please, at least be consistent.

Barry Sanders was not consistent with his running. He would get bottled up for 5 and 6 yards losses and then he might break a long one on the next down. DeAngelo Hall is similar (and NO I don't believe DeAngelo Hall is as good as Barry Sanders before you start that argument) in that he might get burned on a pass or two, but he might intercept the next one and take it to the house. He's a gambler, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't, but he's not trash.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm seeing a lot of double speak. You're saying your not downing those who appreciate Redskins making the Pro Bowl, but you're also saying they're homers and unrealistic. Then you down the Pro Bowl game itself and then question whether or not a certain player deserves to play in it or not. Then you say you don't dislike the guy, but you continue putting the guy down as if he's dirt. Please, at least be consistent.

I'm very consistent. I suggest you reread what I said or ask for clarification.

I can cheer on my favorite team without being a clueless homer that believes that their players are more valuable or have no flaws.

First off, you complain that I'm saying something "negative" about our Pro-Bowl player. It's like you question our fan hood because we dont' chose to wear rose colored glasses like many homers. You guys were chirping about people and their views about D. Hall being overrated. If you don't want to be criticized, my suggestion to you is not to criticize the others. After all, they (including myself) have a valid point. You guys have your right to your opinion, and we have ours.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Barry Sanders was not consistent with his running. He would get bottled up for 5 and 6 yards losses and then he might break a long one on the next down. DeAngelo Hall is similar (and NO I don't believe DeAngelo Hall is as good as Barry Sanders before you start that argument) in that he might get burned on a pass or two, but he might intercept the next one and take it to the house. He's a gambler, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't, but he's not trash.

Not even remotely in the same ball park, but thanks for coming out. That was a pathetic attempt at making a comparison.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm very consistent. I suggest you reread what I said or ask for clarification.

Yeah, you're very consistent at being inconsistent.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

First off, you complain that I'm saying something "negative" about our Pro-Bowl player. It's like you question our fan hood because we dont' chose to wear rose colored glasses like many homers. You guys were chirping about people and their views about D. Hall being overrated. If you don't want to be criticized, my suggestion to you is not to criticize the others. After all, they (including myself) have a valid point. You guys have your right to your opinion, and we have ours.

See, there you go with the homer, rose-colored card that people who want to sit and moan always seem to want to pull out of the back their pants in order to look more "realistic". Here's something that's realistic. DeAngelo Hall is a Pro Bowl player. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not even remotely in the same ball park, but thanks for coming out. That was a pathetic attempt at making a comparison.

Oh, here we go! Talk about someone who can't read context clues. Hey buddy, you're going out of your way to make yourself look very "Offiss" like. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask someone who's been here since about '04.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

See, there you go with the homer, rose-colored card that people who want to sit and moan always seem to want to pull out of the back their pants in order to look more "realistic". Here's something that's realistic. DeAngelo Hall is a Pro Bowl player. Deal with it.

You confuse me with somebody who cares? I'm happy for D. Hall, and all the guys that made the pro-bowl. If you want to bitch and complain about us making comments in regards to our players, then expect homer comments. You can cheer on who you like and be happy for them. That doesn't give you the right to question my opinion of such player. That doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan than you are. You chose to see things how you want to, and I chose to see the common view that most people see outside of Redskins nation.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Oh, here we go! Talk about someone who can't read context clues. Hey buddy, you're going out of your way to make yourself look very "Offiss" like. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask someone who's been here since about '04.

Not the "I've been here since 2004" card. Your comparison wasn't remotely in the same ball park, but I guess it is if it suits your argument. A CB that gambles and gets burned/rewarded on a 50/50 basis, isn't the same as a runner that uses the best option each play but can only do so much. D. Hall isn't dependent on 5-7 guys to cover his guy. Barry Sanders relied on 5-7 guys each down to make those runs. It's not the same, and any person with a half a brain knows it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You confuse me with somebody who cares? I'm happy for D. Hall, and all the guys that made the pro-bowl. If you want to bitch and complain about us making comments in regards to our players, then expect homer comments. You can cheer on who you like and be happy for them. That doesn't give you the right to question my opinion of such player. That doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan than you are. You chose to see things how you want to, and I chose to see the common view that most people see outside of Redskins nation.

Well obviously you do, otherwise you wouldn't be going through so much trouble to prove your hatred toward DeAngelo Hall.

For the record, I don't live in Redskins Nation. I'm pretty much closer to Panther Nation.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not the "I've been here since 2004" card. Your comparison wasn't remotely in the same ball park, but I guess it is if it suits your argument. A CB that gambles and gets burned/rewarded on a 50/50 basis, isn't the same as a runner that uses the best option each play but can only do so much. D. Hall isn't dependent on 5-7 guys to cover his guy. Barry Sanders relied on 5-7 guys each down to make those runs. It's not the same, and any person with a half a brain knows it.

Each player is dependent upon each other to do their job no matter if it's offense or if it's defense. If the defensive line isn't doing their job, it's going to make the secondary's job a lot harder. If the safeties aren't doing their jobs, etc...you hopefully get the idea. At least anybody with half a brain could hopefully see where I'm going with this.

[NC_Skins]

Hatred towards D. Hall? That was almost comical. You are probably one of those fans that think the media is out to get the Skins organization to. HATERS!! IF YOU CRITICIZE OUR PLAYERS YOU ARE A HATER!!! Next you'll be saying "if you were a true fan".

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Each player is dependent upon each other to do their job no matter if it's offense or if it's defense. If the defensive line isn't doing their job, it's going to make the secondary's job a lot harder. If the safeties aren't doing their jobs, etc...you hopefully get the idea. At least anybody with half a brain could hopefully see where I'm going with this.

No, each player is dependent on each other to make the unit as a whole, that doesn't mean that every position is dependent on another to be successful. So a CB needs DL in order for him to cover a WR? Might be the first time time in football I've ever heard of that. Unfortunately for you, just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. A CB doesn't need the defensive line to cover the man he's on. Are they chipping that WR off the line? No, nobody can see where you are going because you are using a bad analogy trying to make your point. If this were a LB we were talking about, you would have a point.

It's obvious that you are just going to argue for the sake of arguing. You are bringing no facts or stats to the table, only sing bad analogies. We'll end this here and agree to disagree.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hatred towards D. Hall? That was almost comical. You are probably one of those fans that think the media is out to get the Skins organization to. HATERS!! IF YOU CRITICIZE OUR PLAYERS YOU ARE A HATER!!! Next you'll be saying "if you were a true fan".

Oh geez dude...if you like the guy, I hate to see how you treat your enemies.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, each player is dependent on each other to make the unit as a whole, that doesn't mean that every position is dependent on another to be successful.

Here is what I said: [I]Each player is dependent upon each other to do their job no matter if it's offense or if it's defense.[/I] That's what I got through saying Einstein.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So a CB needs DL in order for him to cover a WR? Might be the first time time in football I've ever heard of that. Unfortunately for you, just because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. A CB doesn't need the defensive line to cover the man he's on. Are they chipping that WR off the line? No, nobody can see where you are going because you are using a bad analogy trying to make your point. If this were a LB we were talking about, you would have a point.

You obviously completely misunderstood my point, but I have a feeling you're just not worth the effort.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's obvious that you are just going to argue for the sake of arguing. You are bringing no facts or stats to the table, only sing bad analogies. We'll end this here and agree to disagree.

You must've been looking the mirror when you typed that last line. Only thing I will agree with you on is to disagree. Tell Offiss I said hello!