D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Full disclosure, I'm a D. Hall fan.. In the landscape of the NFL he's probably an ordinary corner that does extraordinary things. He's got playmaking ability most corners lack, he has makeup speed that's not elite but a slight notch below, he has good route recognition (most of the time) and isn't afraid to step up and make a tackle.

I think his detractors see the plays he makes and chalks them up to luck and focus on his celebrations and see him as a Deion wannabe with nowhere near the talent. If a pass is completed on him or he gets beat for a TD then 'Ah, he sucks!'. In what his strengths are-making plays on the ball, turning INT and fumble returns into points or flipping field position, stepping in and making tackles-he's probably in the top 5 in the league. In the areas he struggles in, man to man with his back to the QB, taking risks and playing trail position-he's average.

End of the day, I'll take the reward that he brings at the expense of the risk of giving up some receptions.

I agree with a lot of this. Overall, I think Los and Hall actually complement each other very well, and even though our D had some rough moments, I hope we keep both. Hall has outstanding hands and QB's know that if he's in the area they need to be careful with their throws. That's an asset in Pass Defense if it makes the QB hesitate or re-scan. Los, may not make QB's fear throwing his way, but he can keep his receivers covered very well. This can and has caused problems for opposing QBs and there is a reason PB was getting thrown on as much as he was. Out of all the defensive positions, I would think CB is not one we should be spending a lot of draft or FA effort on.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree with a lot of this. Overall, I think Los and Hall actually complement each other very well, and even though our D had some rough moments, I hope we keep both. Hall has outstanding hands and QB's know that if he's in the area they need to be careful with their throws. That's an asset in Pass Defense if it makes the QB hesitate or re-scan. Los, may not make QB's fear throwing his way, but he can keep his receivers covered very well. This can and has caused problems for opposing QBs and there is a reason PB was getting thrown on as much as he was. Out of all the defensive positions, I would think CB is not one we should be spending a lot of draft or FA effort on.

Me too, I think they make a great tandem. Great posts by you and PT, agree 1000 percent. If we could get more consistent pressure on the QB, I think int numbers would increase for both. I believe the only thing lack is consistent play at the FS position. If we could get a fast, all-over-the-field type player at free, Id put Hall, Los, and Landry up against any secondary in the league.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Me too, I think they make a great tandem. Great posts by you and PT, agree 1000 percent. If we could get more consistent pressure on the QB, I think int numbers would increase for both. I believe the only thing lack is consistent play at the FS position. If we could get a fast, all-over-the-field type player at free, Id put Hall, Los, and Landry up against any secondary in the league.

I was sure for awhile Khareem Moore was going to be that guy. After his injury the wheels seem like they just fell off. I still miss ST. HTTR <3 #21

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I was sure for awhile Khareem Moore was going to be that guy. After his injury the wheels seem like they just fell off. I still miss ST. HTTR <3 #21

Me too, I thought he looked really good last year & would step up as a starter. Instead, he looked timid and/or lost much of the time.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Me too, I think they make a great tandem. Great posts by you and PT, agree 1000 percent. If we could get more consistent pressure on the QB, I think int numbers would increase for both. I believe the only thing lack is consistent play at the FS position. If we could get a fast, all-over-the-field type player at free, Id put Hall, Los, and Landry up against any secondary in the league.

That's exactly what I was trying to say to NC_Skins yesterday.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree with a lot of this. Overall, I think Los and Hall actually complement each other very well, and even though our D had some rough moments, I hope we keep both. Hall has outstanding hands and QB's know that if he's in the area they need to be careful with their throws. That's an asset in Pass Defense if it makes the QB hesitate or re-scan. Los, may not make QB's fear throwing his way, but he can keep his receivers covered very well. This can and has caused problems for opposing QBs and there is a reason PB was getting thrown on as much as he was. Out of all the defensive positions, I would think CB is not one we should be spending a lot of draft or FA effort on.

Just by the total # of targets, I would argue that no one is thinking twice about throwing at Hall. Not to say everyone is Jay Cutler out there -- targeting him for the sake of targeting him -- but he's averaging between 7 and 8 targets per game as a Redskins. Revis and Asomugha, by comparison, usually see about 2 or 3.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just by the total # of targets, I would argue that no one is thinking twice about throwing at Hall. Not to say everyone is Jay Cutler out there -- targeting him for the sake of targeting him -- but he's averaging between 7 and 8 targets per game as a Redskins. Revis and Asomugha, by comparison, usually see about 2 or 3.

I guess, I would clarify, that he's not a lockdown type, so yes qb's will throw his way, but that also is because Los is closer to a lockdown type (now give us his stats, cuz I don't have any and am just thinking out loud). I know QBs will throw at Hall, but they most certainly look at him as more of a threat to intercept a ball than Los is.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just by the total # of targets, I would argue that no one is thinking twice about throwing at Hall. Not to say everyone is Jay Cutler out there -- targeting him for the sake of targeting him -- but he's averaging between 7 and 8 targets per game as a Redskins. Revis and Asomugha, by comparison, usually see about 2 or 3.

GT, you've also said that the cover 2 scheme the skins ran most of the year left pretty big gaps between the cb & safeties. Late in the year you said it improved & I think that showed in the defense's overall improvement, there were fewer easy completions in the seems.

Hall could be more of a shutdown corner IMO, but the defense isn't set up that way & as discussed here, he is a gambler. I think he could have his best years ahead; he's a guy that had to mature as a pro, after being MeAngelo in college & his early years w/ATl. Although I was against signing him, we may be getting the best out of him.