Haynesworth Facing Various Assault Charges

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yes, but it wasn't Shanahan that brought Haynesworth, it was Vinny (the guy people seem to forget around here). And while true, Haynesworth flat out lied to get his 21 million, this situation has been nothing more than a huge media circus. I would prefer that Shanahan focuses on more important things, like turning this team around, instead of playing who's the boss with a guy that is not worth it.

I know it was Vinny's shit (more likely Dan's), but it has to be dealt with. Once the contract was redone and he took that 21 million dollar check, and lied to Shanny's face, it became his issue to deal with and he's doing it the right way.

It's a simple message. You take the money and lie to me, and I'm going to end your football career with you watching the game from at home. Didn't Dan threaten L. Coles with the same thing about buying him a TV?

At this point, he has three options.

1) give back some of that signing bonus (fat chance)
2) sit at home on inactive list and have his career rot
3) come in, attend camp/OTAs like others, and play like he's supposed to (fat chance as well on this)


You absolutely do not give him what he wants (to be cut to resign with another team for yet more money). If you do that, what do you think the next idiot comes along is going to do? (aka...shaun rogers)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You absolutely do not give him what he wants (to be cut to resign with another team for yet more money). If you do that, what do you think the next idiot comes along is going to do? (aka...shaun rogers)

I'm sorry but we're way past that. This team already gave him what he wants, and that was the 21 million bucks and whatever else money he got paid already. If Mike Shanahan wants to continue to keep this guy on this team, he's just as stupid as whoever told Snyder to sue the City Paper (in creating an unnecessary media circus).

Like I said, I don't give a damn about Albert Haynesworth and what he does, but I want him off this team. Nothing good will come out of him being on the roster. And I'm sick of this "oh Shanahan is setting and example and changing the culture of the team" blah blah blah crap.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sorry but we're way past that. This team already gave him what he wants, and that was the 21 million bucks and whatever else money he got paid already. If Mike Shanahan wants to continue to keep this guy on this team, he's just as stupid as whoever told Snyder to sue the City Paper (in creating an unnecessary media circus).

Like I said, I don't give a damn about Albert Haynesworth and what he does, but I want him off this team. Nothing good will come out of him being on the roster. And I'm sick of this "oh Shanahan is setting and example and changing the culture of the team" blah blah blah crap.

I suggest you review Shanny's (and pat bowlen's history) in regards to another disgruntled/lazy DT by the name of Daryl Gardener


DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN

'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN

Contrary to belief, the man knows what he's doing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I suggest you review Shanny's (and pat bowlen's history) in regards to another disgruntled/lazy DT by the name of Daryl Gardener

DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN

'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN

Contrary to belief, the man knows what he's doing.

Well this would be great if the team had consecutive years of being 10-6, appearing in the playoffs, and being 5-6 years from winning back-to-back Super Bowls. As someone mentions, winning cures everything. He's not winning and the team doesn't need this drama.

Personally, I am more concerned about this team winning, than Albert Haynesworth learning a lesson. Personally, I think it is a bit naive for someone to be so concerned that this guy "learns his lesson" and "never plays for another NFL team again". This team has bigger problems than Albert Haynesworth, and keeping him around just adds another problem in my opinion.

Vinny Cerrato, who had a hand in destroying this team and brought Haynesworth to the team, is out there serving as an analyst and consulting with college teams. Do I give a damn about that? No, because he is gone and is no longer a problem. If he becomes the GM for another team, I really don't care because it would be worst for them. I'm just glad that he is gone and is no longer a problem for the Redskins.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

He's not winning and the team doesn't need this drama.

He's doing a heck of a job for what he has to work with (minus the McNabb trade). Lets be honest, he was handed a shit team with more holes than a block of swiss cheese. I didn't expect winning till about his 3rd season.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Personally, I am more concerned about this team winning, than Albert Haynesworth learning a lesson. Personally, I think it is a bit naive for someone to be so concerned that this guy "learns his lesson" and "never plays for another NFL team again". This team has bigger problems than Albert Haynesworth, and keeping him around just adds another problem in my opinion.

I don't think it's about him "learning a lesson". Guys like that don't learn to be honest with you (neither did Darryl Gardner). I think it's more about setting the precedence so others will know what to expect if/when they so choose to go that route.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Vinny Cerrato, who had a hand in destroying this team and brought Haynesworth to the team, is out there serving as an analyst and consulting with college teams. Do I give a damn about that? No, because he is gone and is no longer a problem. If he becomes the GM for another team, I really don't care because it would be worst for them. I'm just glad that he is gone and is no longer a problem for the Redskins.

Gibbs had a ton to do with why this team is shit as well. Horrible draft picks, pissing away draft picks for vets and signing huge contracts that end up huge busts. Gibbs should have stayed in NASCAR, but Danny boy knew exactly how to get the Skins nation fired back up so they would continue shelling out the dough.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He's doing a heck of a job for what he has to work with (minus the McNabb trade). Lets be honest, he was handed a shit team with more holes than a block of swiss cheese. I didn't expect winning till about his 3rd season.



I don't think it's about him "learning a lesson". Guys like that don't learn to be honest with you (neither did Darryl Gardner). I think it's more about setting the precedence so others will know what to expect if/when they so choose to go that route.





Gibbs had a ton to do with why this team is shit as well. Horrible draft picks, pissing away draft picks for vets and signing huge contracts that end up huge busts. Gibbs should have stayed in NASCAR, but Danny boy knew exactly how to get the Skins nation fired back up so they would continue shelling out the dough.

I disagree with everything you have to say in this post.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I disagree with everything you have to say in this post.

And the reason is?? At least have some points if you disagree (which you are more than welcome to)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He's doing a heck of a job for what he has to work with (minus the McNabb trade). Lets be honest, he was handed a shit team with more holes than a block of swiss cheese. I didn't expect winning till about his 3rd season.

You're missing my point, which is, a winning headcoach can do whatever the hell he wants. Hence Shanahan doing whatever the hell he wanted in Denver, including doing what he did with Gardner. Shanahan has not won anything, except 6 games, with the Redskins. He was handed a shit offense and a pretty good defense, thanks to his changes we have a shit offense and defense. I know he has a lot of challenges to overcome, but he has made some gaffes this season. And personally I wish he would focus on those gaffes a little more than having to worry about some POS that shouldn't be on this team.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think it's about him "learning a lesson". Guys like that don't learn to be honest with you (neither did Darryl Gardner). I think it's more about setting the precedence so others will know what to expect if/when they so choose to go that route.

The problem with Haynesworth is that we SIGNED a guy like Haynesworth. You know an easier way for Shanahan to deal with this situation? Don't sign headcases to your team, period.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Gibbs had a ton to do with why this team is shit as well. Horrible draft picks, pissing away draft picks for vets and signing huge contracts that end up huge busts. Gibbs should have stayed in NASCAR, but Danny boy knew exactly how to get the Skins nation fired back up so they would continue shelling out the dough.

But we're not talking about Gibbs. We're talking about someone (Cerrato) who hurt this franchise more than Haynesworth. And someone who is pretty much responsible for bringing in Haynesworth to the team (who you're complaining SO much about).

Once again, fans like you need to get over Albert Haynesworth. Look what Pittsburgh did to Santonio Holmes and what New England did to Randy Moss, they got rid of them when they became a problem. And the Redskins need to follow suit with this situation.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The problem with Haynesworth is that we SIGNED a guy like Haynesworth. You know an easier way for Shanahan to deal with this situation? Don't sign headcases to your team, period.

I think we are in total agreement here. I knew this was going to be Stubblefield 2.0 the moment we signed him. Hell, Stubblefield gave us more than he did.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

But we're not talking about Gibbs. We're talking about someone (Cerrato) who hurt this franchise more than Haynesworth. And someone who is pretty much responsible for bringing in Haynesworth to the team (who you're complaining SO much about).

I know Cerrato is very responsible for the mess we are in, but so is Gibbs and Snyder. Gibbs was in control of this franchise for 4 years and pissed away good draft picks for the likes of Brunell, Lloyd, Duckett, Campbell and not even counting the horrible cap issues that were caused by the lame contracts they give to archuletta, brunell, and others. You act as if Cerrato is the sole reason for this, but it's not. In fact, I'm still not convinced a good portion of this crap is from Snyder pulling a jerry jones with Cerrato being the fall guy.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Once again, fans like you need to get over Albert Haynesworth. Look what Pittsburgh did to Santonio Holmes and what New England did to Randy Moss, they got rid of them when they became a problem. And the Redskins need to follow suit with this situation.

Not sure what you mean by "get over Albert". I can't stand the idiot, and never wanted the fool on this team to begin with. However, I understand exactly what our coach is doing and the precedence he's making. You can't use the New England/Pittsburgh situations to compare this. Patriots got Moss for a 4th rounder and traded him three years later for a 3rd rounder. The Steelers got a 5th rounder for a guy who was a complete headcase and was looking at a 4 game suspension to boot. Much of it still boils down to that $21 million dollar check he accepted.

If we can get value for Haynesworth, then by all means lets do it. However, nobody is willing to give shit for this toolbag and can you blame them?

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I know it was Vinny's shit (more likely Dan's), but it has to be dealt with. Once the contract was redone and he took that 21 million dollar check, and lied to Shanny's face, it became his issue to deal with and he's doing it the right way.

It's a simple message. You take the money and lie to me, and I'm going to end your football career with you watching the game from at home. Didn't Dan threaten L. Coles with the same thing about buying him a TV?

At this point, he has three options.

1) give back some of that signing bonus (fat chance)
2) sit at home on inactive list and have his career rot
3) come in, attend camp/OTAs like others, and play like he's supposed to (fat chance as well on this)


You absolutely do not give him what he wants (to be cut to resign with another team for yet more money). If you do that, what do you think the next idiot comes along is going to do? (aka...shaun rogers)

NC Skins:

You are onto something important here.

Haynesworth is likely content to show up and be on the Redskins' roster next year and the year after that because that means he continues to be paid by the Redskins. He does not have to play - - even at half speed - - to get paid. The guys who are inactive every weekend still get paid.

Shanahan finds himself in a small dilemma. If he releases Haynesworth, then Big Al can go to some other team and get another payday. It won't be $100M or anything close to that and the the contract may have some "character clauses" in it that were not included in the one signed here. But he WILL get another bonus payday. And that means - - to some extent - - that Shanahan will not come out of their "contretemps" as the undisputed winner and the guy who made Big Al do it "The Shanahan Way".

On the other hand, if Shanahan does not release Haynesworth, he lets Big Al stay here and play by Big Al's rules because Big Al has learned quite clearly that he can make a whole lot of money playing under his current contract without following a lot of team rules or without playing real hard on Sundays.

Signing Haynesworth to that kind of a deal was a disaster waiting to happen - - and it happened.

Shanahan had nothing to do with that signing but for some reason felt that creating a stare-down with Haynesworth back in training camp was a good idea - - it was not.

Now comes the point where Shanahan has to figure out how to cut losses here. He cannot win this situation without an incredible string of lucky events so he has to figure out what is the least worst outcome for him and for the team.

Maybe he has already decided that continuing the "stare-down" is the least worst thing he can do for the team - - and for his own ego.