Redskins Moving up?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Insider's Expert's scouting report on Campbell:

Overall: Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open. However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

Like I said. Three so-so years, one good year, in a west coast scheme that had to be simplified. Seriously, what the heck are we going to do with a west coast QB? He's just not that impressive. If you look at his throwing statistics compared to the other top 10 QB draft prospects, I think you'll see that he's really nothing to write home about. In fact, his numbers put him somewhere around the bottom of the top 10 QBs.

And if I had Cadillac AND Ronnie Brown behind me, with a consistently good to great defense, I'd probably have a pretty good win/loss record too. Win/loss records in college football are no indicator of success in the pros. Danny Wuerrfle, Shane Matthews, Ken Dorsey, Andre Ware, Eric Crouch............the list just goes on and on.

Sound's to me like he ran a basic offense because he couldn't grasp a real one and coupled that with superior talent and he was able to perform, what will he do in the NFL when the playingfield is much more level and the offenses and defenses are far more complicated than anything he's seen in college? I wouldn't take this kid in any round.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Hahaha... Yeah, I definitely agree on Rolle. I heard him talking about himself on NFL Network. He's ALREADY talking in 3rd person.

[Redskins_P]

Pac-Man is considered the best man to man cover corner. Rolle is better at zone coverage and zone blitzing.

[56FAN]

the coach said in the press thing yesterday that they had called all the teams above them and below them to check on possiblities and work out scenierios. i wonder if this is what they're talking about. let it slide, everything you hear unless it is from the skins personally, let it slide. they got to sell papers and will say anything to dit. that was the whole jist of the press thing with coach vinnie & dan yesterday. don't sweat it guys. remember if our line has strightend out we only need a few players to look at the playoffs.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I also have this thinking about drafting a WR. I know we have a bunch of #2s. Don't you think that a group of average/above average WRs can more than get the job done? We are a running team and we have the type of WR that DO stretch the field.

[56FAN]

i like pac man alot ala darrell green but mr rogers has really perked my intrest. he is faster than pac man(from what i've read) and as big as rolle. and , last he won the trophy for best cb in the nation over both of them. and he's a good charachter guy. man, that's tough to beat.

[Daseal]

Uhh - 56fan... Explain to me exactly why we should listen to the REDSKINS during draft time. They wouldn't DARE lie. Not saying I think Campbell rumor is true, but still. Kinda like how Coles was fine? I mean, come on. They're going to lie - they have to. It's part of the game. Don't believe the rumors 100% either, but if you hear something enough it probably has some merit.

No doubt Campbell is greatly improved by that running game, but imagine that. A quarterback with less stability than Patrick Ramsey being erratic. Sure he has questions, who doesn't. I don't want us to draft him, but he's going to be a good player. Wouldn't suprise me one bit if he became the best QB out of this draft.

[Daseal]

He's not faster than Pac-man. Not by a long shot. He's faster than Rolle, but not quite as big as Rolle. He's kinda a mix between the two guys.

[Redskins_P]

Is it just me or does Jason Campbell sound very similar to what Ramsey was coming out of College? Good arm, poor decision making, no downfield accuracy, and holds on to the ball too long. Only difference is the mobility.

Why draft another "project" QB? I thought we did that when we drafted Ramsey?

[PSUskinsfan11]

Campbell might end up being good but everytime I see him I think Tony Banks. :frusty:

[celts32]

This Campbell stuff is stupid. And trading up for Edwards is even worse. No one thinks the Redskins need a #1 WR more than I do, but trading 4 draft picks for 1 player is stupid. he is not the next coming of Jerry Rice. I don't like Edwards that much anyway,I would rather have Williams.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

This Campbell stuff is stupid. And trading up for Edwards is even worse. No one thinks the Redskins need a #1 WR more than I do, but trading 4 draft picks for 1 player is stupid. he is not the next coming of Jerry Rice. I don't like Edwards that much anyway,I would rather have Williams.

I agree on your first two points. But if they go for Edwards, it'll actually be 5 traded picks to get him: Two firsts this year (#'s 9 and 25), the first rounder we gave away to Denver next year (likely a top 15), this year's third, and next year's 4th. That's way too many, especially when the knock on Edwards is that he frequently drops catchable passes. A negative like that for a wide receiver should not get you top billing in the class of wideouts in any draft year, I don't care what anybody says.

I disagree on Mike Williams though. Word is, he could be tipping the scale at 245 pounds, has been away from the game too long, and isn't known for even 'good' speed, much less blazing speed. We've got plenty of possession receivers already and if they spend it on a wide receiver at all, the guy to root for is Troy Williamson, who's stock is apparently rising everyday -- and Williamson IS a speedster. Fastest in the draft is what I've heard. But we need a corner first and foremost, and Williamson will be long gone by pick #25. Wideouts in that part of the draft could include Mark Clayton of Oklahoma, or Roddy White of UAB.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I agree on your first two points. But if they go for Edwards, it'll actually be 5 traded picks to get him: Two firsts this year (#'s 9 and 25), the first rounder we gave away to Denver next year (likely a top 15), this year's third, and next year's 4th. That's way too many, especially when the knock on Edwards is that he frequently drops catchable passes. A negative like that for a wide receiver should not get you top billing in the class of wideouts in any draft year, I don't care what anybody says.

I disagree on Mike Williams though. Word is, he could be tipping the scale at 245 pounds, has been away from the game too long, and isn't known for even 'good' speed, much less blazing speed. We've got plenty of possession receivers already and if they spend it on a wide receiver at all, the guy to root for is Troy Williamson, who's stock is apparently rising everyday -- and Williamson IS a speedster. Fastest in the draft is what I've heard. But we need a corner first and foremost, and Williamson will be long gone by pick #25. Wideouts in that part of the draft could include Mark Clayton of Oklahoma, or Roddy White of UAB.

Williamson is one of the fastest as is another reciever who's stock has risen dramatically since the end of the season and that would be Jerome Mathis(i think that's his name) of Hampton. I think a decent to pretty good wr can be found in the 2-4 round area and if the team wastes 5 picks to get Edwards ,that would further show the immediate need for an intelligent GM. I love Gibbs but if that proposed trade goes down, I know I will lose some faith and start doubting his return to the team. With some pretty serious holes on the team, I just can't fathom why the team would even consider the giving away of every pick before the 4th round this year and our 1st and 4th next year for a guy who's described as a faster 50-50. please let this all be just hype and hoopla cuz that would put a serious dent even for me in the hopes of the team for this upcoming year.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I agree on your first two points. But if they go for Edwards, it'll actually be 5 traded picks to get him: Two firsts this year (#'s 9 and 25), the first rounder we gave away to Denver next year (likely a top 15), this year's third, and next year's 4th. That's way too many, especially when the knock on Edwards is that he frequently drops catchable passes. A negative like that for a wide receiver should not get you top billing in the class of wideouts in any draft year, I don't care what anybody says.

I disagree on Mike Williams though. Word is, he could be tipping the scale at 245 pounds, has been away from the game too long, and isn't known for even 'good' speed, much less blazing speed. We've got plenty of possession receivers already and if they spend it on a wide receiver at all, the guy to root for is Troy Williamson, who's stock is apparently rising everyday -- and Williamson IS a speedster. Fastest in the draft is what I've heard. But we need a corner first and foremost, and Williamson will be long gone by pick #25. Wideouts in that part of the draft could include Mark Clayton of Oklahoma, or Roddy White of UAB.

It doesn't really matter, but it would not be 5 picks traded for him. You are counting the 25th this year and next years 1st. You counted the same pick twice. We traded next years 1 to get this years 25, so it's the same pick. If the skins trade #9 & 25 for edwards it would be 4 picks for 1.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Like I said in another post. This is why we need to stop this kind of talk. PSUSkinsFan said it when he stated it's just "smoke and mirrors".