Obama and his new budget: Debt will surpass total US Economy

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

Maybe they shouldn't have 5 kids and reduce the pool of taxpayers and leave us to pickup the slack? The world could use less critters...isn't that right FD?

China One Child Policy - Overview of the One Child Policy in China

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

China One Child Policy - Overview of the One Child Policy in China

I am a benevolent dictator. I would let you choose between more kids less benefits, less kids more benefits. I mean, it can't be worse than the current policy of more kids more benefits, less kids less benefits.


Think about it, you would benefit because the tax burden on you is less and there would be less useless little toddlers who you have to subsidize and compete for natural resources with. You'd be king of the mofo jungle! The planet could use your help folks.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am a benevolent dictator. I would let you choose between more kids less benefits, less kids more benefits. I mean, it can't be worse than the current policy of more kids more benefits, less kids less benefits.


Think about it, you would benefit because the tax burden on you is less and there would be less useless little toddlers who you have to subsidize and compete for natural resources with. You'd be king of the mofo jungle! The planet could use your help folks.

So you have a problem with our current system that gives more benefits to mother on well fair who have more children?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you have a problem with our current system that gives more benefits to mother on well fair who have more children?

I don't believe in handing people money because they have more kids. That isn't to say the government shouldn't provide some level of help (i.e. SCHIP, daycare, school lunch, education grants etc) to low income families.

Conservatives think only the poor don't pay taxes or get perks which clearly isn't true. I mean, there isn't enough poor people in this country for 47% of the population to not pay taxes.

Poverty in America from the census: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0708.pdf

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't believe in handing people money because they have more kids. That isn't to say the government shouldn't provide some level of help (i.e. SCHIP, daycare, school lunch, education grants etc) to low income families.

Conservatives think only the poor don't pay taxes or get perks which clearly isn't true. I mean, there isn't enough poor people in this country for 47% of the population to not pay taxes.

Poverty in America from the census: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0708.pdf

Thats the problem. The group of people not paying any federal income taxes has grown past the poor into the lower middle income to middle income. The poor is clearly the ones receiving the perks without paying into the system.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Thats the problem. The group of people not paying any federal income taxes has grown past the poor into the lower middle income to middle income. The poor is clearly the ones receiving the perks without paying into the system.

The reason the middle class are fitting into that 47% is not because they don't earn enough to be taxed, it's because they meet enough deductions and credits to not pay.

If you didn't give them the mortgage interest deduction credt, then the price of your house will go way down. If you didn't give them the child tax credit, more kids would just end up needing financial aid for college, because college savings are exactly what would get sacrificed.

If you want to change that 47% number you're talking about doing away with deductions, almost all of which need to be there, and if they're not there, there will be negative consequences for all of us.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The reason the middle class are fitting into that 47% is not because they don't earn enough to be taxed, it's because they meet enough deductions and credits to not pay.

If you didn't give them the mortgage interest deduction credt, then the price of your house will go way down. If you didn't give them the child tax credit, more kids would just end up needing financial aid for college, because college savings are exactly what would get sacrificed.

If you want to change that 47% number you're talking about doing away with deductions, almost all of which need to be there, and if they're not there, there will be negative consequences for all of us.

So you want those with no children or less children and those with no mortgages to subsidize these people?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am a benevolent dictator. I would let you choose between more kids less benefits, less kids more benefits. I mean, it can't be worse than the current policy of more kids more benefits, less kids less benefits.


Think about it, you would benefit because the tax burden on you is less and there would be less useless little toddlers who you have to subsidize and compete for natural resources with. You'd be king of the mofo jungle! The planet could use your help folks.

There could be hope for you yet!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

There could be hope for you yet!

Is it like the Obama hope?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

Is it like the Obama hope?

Oh...no no no no no no....I give you...way more credit than Lord O.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Oh...no no no no no no....I give you...way more credit than Lord O.

You shouldn't...I'm not privy to the information he is and if I were I might make the same decisions. Politics is a crass sport and you and I may not be able to coach at that level.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

You shouldn't...I'm not privy to the information he is and if I were I might make the same decisions. Politics is a crass sport and you and I may not be able to coach at that level.

..........Then I would......Damn you to HELL!
Naturally, in a most respectful way.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Is it like the Obama hope?

The Obama Hope is fine its the Change part thats not working out so well.