Andy Reid or Mike Shanahan? Eagles President takes shot at Shanny

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I know we're partial as 'skins fans, but I wonder if people really, truly, realized how great of a coach Joe Gibbs was? Of course, let's not forget that he had a great general manager and staff in the front office to help him along the way. Even though he wasn't "great" in his second tenure, seeing that he was able to get two decent playoff seasons out of this team, something that no other Redskins coach has been able to do since Gibbs left the first time (took Norv about six or seven years for one), I would dare to say is it ever possible to have this team winning like it did in the 80's without making even more changes in the F.O.? I mean, we do have Bruce Allen, but his thing seems to be negotiating contracts. Wished he could have a partner who was great at focusing on player acquisitions.

Not to mention the best defensive coordinator in the history of the NFL!

But IMO what this organization is truly missing is a true, hard core personel man. Someone who will go to Arkansas Pine Bluff and find a diamond in the ruff like a Monte Coleman. Or go to Idaho and find a Mark Schlereth. Until we get that then it's just going to be the same old same old.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Andy Reid is a damn good football coach. One thing I like about him is he seems to be able to relate and communicate with his players. They seem to respect him. He knows when to put a foot in their ass and he knows when to lay off. Not to mention he's done great things with Vick and McNabb. I've always liked him a lot. So far, from the one year I've seen from Shanahan, I'm just not that impressed with the guy. Right now, I'm taking Reid over Shanahan.

Give Reid the Redskins and I think we would see the same ol Redskins IMO. Which one of us if given the choice would chose to coach a team like the Redskins over any other team?

Its going to take a monumental effort to change the Redskins not just a matter of plugging the holes on O Line or anywhere else. Shanny has got to do the impossible, and thus far nobody since Gibbs has been able to win with this team including Gibbs himself on his return. (This list is long)

Reid has had more than enough time and opportunity with the Eagles. No reasonable comparison can be made between them. And Shanny has not been given enough time to change the culture of the Redskins, if he can.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Give Reid the Redskins and I think we would see the same ol Redskins IMO. Which one of us if given the choice would chose to coach a team like the Redskins over any other team?

Its going to take a monumental effort to change the Redskins not just a matter of plugging the holes on O Line or anywhere else. Shanny has got to do the impossible, and thus far nobody since Gibbs has been able to win with this team including Gibbs himself on his return. (This list is long)

Reid has had more than enough time and opportunity with the Eagles. No reasonable comparison can be made between them. And Shanny has not been given enough time to change the culture of the Redskins, if he can.

True. He needs more time. But so far in his one year, I think he's made some bad moves, both on the coaching front and front office stuff.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

True. He needs more time. But so far in his one year, I think he's made some bad moves, both on the coaching front and front office stuff.

I agree.

[CrustyRedskin]

Any man that would do this, i would got to war with any day, we all wish we had an Andy Reid as a coach!!

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[skinsguy]

Andy Reid is a top notch coach. I swear, if he left Philly today and we were without a coach, I'd sign him this afternoon.

[celts32]

I will take Reid if I am also getting the entire Eagles front office operation. I like the way they do things. Plus Reid is younger then Shanny and could stay longer. However, if all I am getting is Reid alone then I will stick with Shanny.

[freddyg12]

Some good points on this thread. I think you have to give Reid a lot of credit, you don't win that much for that long by luck.

At the same time, as pointed out by celts32, the iggles have had a sound biz plan over the past decade. Also, Jim Johnson was a big part of their success. They obviously weren't happy w/the D after he passed, firing Mcdermott.

I am not sure of what to make of the eagles now, Vick will likely not have a year like 2010 again, and the team seems to lack the identity & leadership it had when Dawkins, Trotter & McNabb were there. I could see them slipping or taking a big step forward.

I don't think it's worth much to compare Shanny & Reid, but like Matty said I'm sure Shanny is taking note of this comment. So that's good for us.

[Monkeydad]

[bigdaddy2348]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Banner: If Mike Shanahan can win two Super Bowls, Andy Reid can too | ProFootballTalk

I think Reid is a good coach but should he have won "multiple super bowls"? I don't know about that. Seems like the pressure is as big as ever for him in Philly. I don't see him winning a title there

Andy has had 10 years to do it and he hasn't. If he would have drafted a top notch running back instead of these gadget backs (Westbrook is the first name that comes to mind) and really dedicated the team to running the ball. Also see what happen when they had a real wide out like T.O. Although he is a idiot he still took them to the house, and played on a broken leg, but they didn’t want to pay him. He was a distraction wah wah wah that’s why the Eagles will always be a joke to me and they will never win anything. They try to win with no name pieces and this has worked for them in the regular season, however we see what happens to them in the playoffs where it really counts.

[MTK]

Buster has it right, in the end all MS has to say to this crap is check the scoreboard.

Shanahan 2 Reid 0.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Buster has it right, in the end all MS has to say to this crap is check the scoreboard.

Shanahan 2 Reid 0.

They are both good coaches.
To be fair the Sb victories for Shanahan 1997 and 1998 was a long time ago. Shanahan has not had a playoff team or win since 2005. That is a long time ago by NFL standards.
Reid has only had 3 non playoff seasons in 12 years.
Shanahan has had 9 non playoff season in 16 full seasons/years as head coach.
Shanahan has two SB wins,
Reid none.

They are both good coaches.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Buster has it right, in the end all MS has to say to this crap is check the scoreboard.

Shanahan 2 Reid 0.

And w/out maybe the best QB of all time what else has he done? What happened when Brian Griese took over? To be honest, I'd rather have Rex Ryan. He seems like a true difference maker.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And w/out maybe the best QB of all time what else has he done? What happened when Brian Griese took over? To be honest, I'd rather have Rex Ryan. He seems like a true difference maker.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not sold on MS as a good long-term solution as the Skins HC. That said...

Basically all of the multiple Super Bowl winning head coaches have had great players, particularly at QB. Chuck Knoll? Terry Bradhsaw. Bill Walsh? Young/Montana. Jimmy Johnson? Troy Aikman. Bill Belichick? Tom Brady. And yes, Shanahan and Elway. Gibbs was so impressive because he won three with three different, pretty average QBs.

I don't think it's fair to discount Shanny because of Elway. I also don't think any of the coaches I mentioned above would have had the same success without those QBs, and vice versa.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Let me preface this by saying I'm not sold on MS as a good long-term solution as the Skins HC. That said...

Basically all of the multiple Super Bowl winning head coaches have had great players, particularly at QB. Chuck Knoll? Terry Bradhsaw. Bill Walsh? Young/Montana. Jimmy Johnson? Troy Aikman. Bill Belichick? Tom Brady. And yes, Shanahan and Elway. Gibbs was so impressive because he won three with three different, pretty average QBs.

I don't think it's fair to discount Shanny because of Elway. I also don't think any of the coaches I mentioned above would have had the same success without those QBs, and vice versa.

All those coaches had great drafts, and from those drafts they built strong teams. It wasn't just about the QB's. So with that being said, let's hope that the guy in charge doesn't throw away picks for an aging inaccurate QB and injured 29 year old tackle. You didn't see any of those guys above doing what Shanahan did. Did you?