2011 NFL Draft

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

He could but theres putting on 20 lbs and it effecting your game in a positive way, then theres putting on 20lbs and it effects your game in a negative way...Paea would need to put on 30 lbs IMO to be anywhere near NT affective.

Plus he's coming off an injury and supposedly he's injury prone, so I don't really like this guy so..next player please

What about Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers? The Guy is 6'1 317 and is considered an elite Nose Tackle. Jay Ratliff is also barely over 300 pounds yet he's easily one of the few Cowboys that actually deserved to go to the pro bowl over the course of the last couple years.

Everyone wants Vince Wilfolk but the fact of the matter is that 3-4 teams are having no trouble plugging inplayers that are less then 320 pounds.

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

he'd also need to grow about 2 inches in height. As a 3-4 NT, he would need to be tall enough to see the flow of the play in hopes of redirecting traffic. As a 4-3 DT, he's tall enough as his job would be penetrating into the backfield...

6'1 is actually an ideal height for a Nose Tackle in todays NFL as Guards and Centers are usually 6'2/6'3. Teams want guys that can get under the pads of these interior players, hence the short-squaty typecast.

Casey Hampton 6'1, Vince Wilfolk 6'2, BJ Raji 6'2, Aubrayo Franklin 6'1, Kelly Gregg 6'0.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

What about Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers? The Guy is 6'1 317 and is considered an elite Nose Tackle. Jay Ratliff is also barely over 300 pounds yet he's easily one of the few Cowboys that actually deserved to go to the pro bowl over the course of the last couple years.

Everyone wants Vince Wilfolk but the fact of the matter is that 3-4 teams are having no trouble plugging inplayers that are less then 320 pounds.

I wouldn't call Franklin elite, but he seems to be one of the lighter true NTs in the league, I would say he's an exception to the typical 3-4 NT. Ratliff thrived in Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4, which we are not running, and now Rob Ryan wants to turn him into a DE.

I would rather for the team to pick up a NT that already has the built to be an NT and learn the position, rather for someone needing to bulk up and learn the position. That's just my personal preference. BJ Raji was already 330ish pounds when the Packers picked him up. Wilfork was also at around 350 I believe when he was drafted. In the end, we need a good player for that position, but I don't want to see a player built for another scheme (i.e. a 4-3 DT) shoved into a 3-4 NT role.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

What about Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers? The Guy is 6'1 317 and is considered an elite Nose Tackle. Jay Ratliff is also barely over 300 pounds yet he's easily one of the few Cowboys that actually deserved to go to the pro bowl over the course of the last couple years.

Everyone wants Vince Wilfolk but the fact of the matter is that 3-4 teams are having no trouble plugging inplayers that are less then 320 pounds.




6'1 is actually an ideal height for a Nose Tackle in todays NFL as Guards and Centers are usually 6'2/6'3. Teams want guys that can get under the pads of these interior players, hence the short-squaty typecast.

Casey Hampton 6'1, Vince Wilfolk 6'2, BJ Raji 6'2, Aubrayo Franklin 6'1, Kelly Gregg 6'0.

He's a Big 317lbs, I bet that that weight is a lie, you really think Vince Wilfork is 320? And Casey Hamptons 330? They lie about their weights to get incentives in their contracts, because of the weight they're required to be at.

Franklin, none the less, is good, but I'd take my chances on drafting a NT like a Phil Taylor, Kenrick Ellis, Jerrell Powe who are all well over 330lbs, than paying for another vet like franklin or drafting and unproven NT who we'd be trying to change his position from 4-3 DT to 3-4 NT.