Forget Ramsey for a minute...My last days as a Redskins fan?

[jrocx69]

i think jason campbell would be a excellent choice...i hope we get em

if ramsey never catches on, we need somebody... brunell? hasslebeck? lol campbell would be a great pick. great long ball thrower and decent scrambling and over 60% CP. im open arms. and if we move up to get braylon... then great, ive said all winter and spring that i want to get ramsey a elite wr to give him no more excuses. and if we keep both picks, then great as well, but only if we get a DE out of it, like pollack or tuck with #25

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i think jason campbell would be a excellent choice...i hope we get em

if ramsey never catches on, we need somebody... brunell? hasslebeck? lol campbell would be a great pick. great long ball thrower and decent scrambling and over 60% CP. im open arms. and if we move up to get braylon... then great, ive said all winter and spring that i want to get ramsey a elite wr to give him no more excuses. and if we keep both picks, then great as well, but only if we get a DE out of it, like pollack or tuck with #25

Great Post!
I am not as sold on Ramsey as jdlea. Yeah is is a nice guy, but that is not enough.
Gibbs has always drafted and developed QB's, even when we had a good one on our team.

[jdlea]

I'm too young to remember Gibbs's first tenure...so my support for him could die this weekend.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Great Post!
I am not as sold on Ramsey as jdlea. Yeah is is a nice guy, but that is not enough.
Gibbs has always drafted and developed QB's, even when we had a good one on our team.

No! Bobby Beatherd drafted the QB's not Gibbs, so far Gibbs has shown no eye for talent when it comes to aquiring a QB, and if he drafts Campbell it will continue.

[Redskinsfaninnola]

JDlea, you moving to New Orleans and maybe looking for a new team? Dont do either one. I live in New Orleans and the Saints might not be here in a few years. I have lived here most of my life and have been a Skins fan for 30 yrs it WILL work out better than the Saints lol.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

No! Bobby Beatherd drafted the QB's not Gibbs, so far Gibbs has shown no eye for talent when it comes to aquiring a QB, and if he drafts Campbell it will continue.

Offis check your facts before you yell NO!
It was Gibbs who recruited and asked to get Doug Williams. Gibbs was soley responsible for getting Williams. Gibbs coached Williams early in his career and they were friends. Doug Williams had a little bit of talent wouldn't you say? He did take us to the super bowl and he was the MVP of that SuperBowl.
Gibbs also scouted all the QB and gave the final ok before Beathard or Casserly (sure would be nice to have them back) pulled the trigger on any QB.
Gibbs heavily scouted and gave his blessing on Rypien and Stan Humphries.

Drafting Campbell would not be so bad. We need a back up plan if Ramsey does not pan out.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Offis check your facts before you yell NO!
It was Gibbs who recruited and asked to get Doug Williams. Gibbs was soley responsible for getting Williams. Gibbs coached Williams early in his career and they were friends. Doug Williams had a little bit of talent wouldn't you say? He did take us to the super bowl and he was the MVP of that SuperBowl.
Gibbs also scouted all the QB and gave the final ok before Beathard or Casserly (sure would be nice to have them back) pulled the trigger on any QB.
Gibbs heavily scouted and gave his blessing on Rypien and Stan Humphries.

Drafting Campbell would not be so bad. We need a back up plan if Ramsey does not pan out.

Yes, Gibbs recruited Williams...who was already an established QB in the league. As far as Rypien and Humphries, they were average QBs that had 1, maybe 2 good seasons. Gibbs has a knack to work with lesser talent QBs and making them adapt to the system.

QB Wise, our bed is made. We just resigned Hasselback, Brunell has his restructured contract, and Gibbs has already named Ramsey the starter.

Ramsey has been in the system for a year. Guys like Rypien and Humphries spent 2, 3, 4 years on the sideline before jumping into the fray, which gave them all that time to learn the system. Ramsey is learning as he goes, and it takes time to learn Gibbs' offense.

I think drafting Campbell would be a mistake, especially when we have other pressing needs.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Yes, Gibbs recruited Williams...who was already an established QB in the league. As far as Rypien and Humphries, they were average QBs that had 1, maybe 2 good seasons. Gibbs has a knack to work with lesser talent QBs and making them adapt to the system.

QB Wise, our bed is made. We just resigned Hasselback, Brunell has his restructured contract, and Gibbs has already named Ramsey the starter.

Ramsey has been in the system for a year. Guys like Rypien and Humphries spent 2, 3, 4 years on the sideline before jumping into the fray, which gave them all that time to learn the system. Ramsey is learning as he goes, and it takes time to learn Gibbs' offense.

I think drafting Campbell would be a mistake, especially when we have other pressing needs.

Good points...

[redwagonskins]

If people bail on the Skins like they are talking about, I'll be sitting 20 rows up on the 50 yd line in not time!!!!!

[jdlea]

What you all don't seem to understand is that I am a realist. You have to take a look at this team. People say Dan Snyder spends money to win...what have they won? I could understand if Gibbs let Smoot and Pierce go this offseason because he wanted to build "his team." However, he called them core Redskins and tried to keep em...didn't happen. This offseason has been a disaster. All they had to do was keep a few people and shut up. Instead Cerrato comes out saying he was misquoted on the Skins web site. Everybody gets mad and leaves because the O they ran last year is stiffling the talent we have. Portis defends everyone but Ramsey. Arrington complains publicly. Coles does too. And everyone blames the players?! No. I've said for a long time this is the worst organization in football. Sometimes I hate to love them.

Sometimes...just sometimes...I want a divorce. I could live with them taking Campbell because it's one of the more sane scenarios I've heard. Last night on the ESPN draft special somebody said the Skins contacted the Niners about moving up to 1 so they could select Alex Smith...are you kidding me? I've never been this confused in my life. What the hell is going on? What has happened this whole offseason? It seems like this team is out of control to me. I mean think about it. Gibbs comes to restore discipline. 2 players this offseason lash out against the club and one gets sent away. One of the ones we get doesn't come to voluntary workouts and niether does the guy who should have won defensive rookie of the year. Hell, Taylor won't even return their phone calls. Kind of a punk move, but I told my brother last night, you reap what you sew. I have no faith in this team's front office because I'm a realist.

As for me being a fair weather fan...fair weather fans usually come and go when the team is up and down. FYI this team has been down for years. If I were a fair weather fan, I don't think I would have stuck with them this long. I will also continue to stick with them, I pretty much started this thread to vent. I'm pretty pissed about this offseason and I blame one man, Dan Snyder. At least when they were bad they were still quasi-respected for what they did in the past. People barely remember that now because we have one of the worst owners in all of professional sports.

Oh yeah, one last note, maybe you should accuse the guys who want Arrington, Portis, and any other star on the team who has a bad year of being a fair weather fan.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Offis check your facts before you yell NO!
It was Gibbs who recruited and asked to get Doug Williams. Gibbs was soley responsible for getting Williams. Gibbs coached Williams early in his career and they were friends. Doug Williams had a little bit of talent wouldn't you say? He did take us to the super bowl and he was the MVP of that SuperBowl.
Gibbs also scouted all the QB and gave the final ok before Beathard or Casserly (sure would be nice to have them back) pulled the trigger on any QB.
Gibbs heavily scouted and gave his blessing on Rypien and Stan Humphries.

Drafting Campbell would not be so bad. We need a back up plan if Ramsey does not pan out.

Great Post!

My facts are just fine it sounds to me like your pulling ideas from no where, and not reading your own posts.

You said that Gibbs ALWAYS drafted and develpoped is own QB's, I provided your statement in case of sudden selective memory lose.

I am not as sold on Ramsey as jdlea. Yeah is is a nice guy, but that is not enough.
Gibbs has always drafted and developed QB's, even when we had a good one on our team.

Beathard drafted Schroeder, Humphries, Rypien, PERIOD!

When D.Williams became avail. Beathard brought Gibbs game film and they broke it down to see if he had developed since his days in the NFL, and they believed he had so they signed him, this wasen't a drafted player or a develpemental player this was an experienced ageing QB.

And to say Williams was this great QB, what were you watching? That skin's team carried Williams through the playoffs, William's missed 3 to 4 td's in the championship game against the Vikings to recievers that were wide open, and did everything in his power to keep the Vikings in that game, a game we almost allowed them to tie on the final play. Nobody remembers that one or the bears game before it because of Williams Specatacular performance in the SB, but take a good look at that game, the denver defense was taylored made for us, that was one of the great mismatches in SB history as far as a matchup between an offense against a defense. I am getting off track here, but the point is Williams doesn't even factor into your original statement, kind of amazing that the 1 QB gibbs has a say in is 1 of the worst signings in our history, Brunell! But we are to believe he was the genious behind scouting all these other unknown QB's, when Bethards reputation was just that, finding unknown talent, he did it for every team that he was the GM. Beathard brought in the talent, Gibbs decieded who played, those are the facts!