Cerrato on Zorn

[SmootSmack]

Snake, I agree with much of what you say. But, and maybe it was that I didn't hear it, but my biggest gripe with Cerrato's interview was that he didn't take ownership of the situation. He didn't say I made the decision to go with Zorn. I decided to surround myself with people I perceived would not be a threat to my authority (i.e. Fassel) and it's not on me. He wasn't ready to be a head coach and it was my responsibility as the man in charge to make sure he was.

[MTK]

It's just hilarious that we're supposed to believe Zorn's downfall was his ego. He was doomed from the start here with Vinny hovering over his every move. There's a reason why Vinny didn't trust Zorn from the start... he knew he was in over his head.

Just F off already, Vinny.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's just hilarious that we're supposed to believe Zorn's downfall was his ego. He was doomed from the start here with Vinny hovering over his every move. There's a reason why Vinny didn't trust Zorn from the start... he knew he was in over his head.

Just F off already, Vinny.

I didn't understand that either. Jim Zorn with a ego? You mean the man that used words like "gosh golly" and "ouchie" is a man with a ego? No, Bill Parcells has a ego. Bill Bellicheat has a ego. Rex Ryan has a ego. Mike Shannahan has a ego. Jim Zorn does not have a ego.


I find some things comical about Vinny.

1) says he had nobody on staff that could call the plays, then rips Zorn for not listening to said incompetent staff

2) Wise asks him who's idea it was to bring in Jeff George after Brad Johnson had that good year. He doesn't recall...lol......in other word's it was Danny boys decision.

3) Considers Joe's second tenure a success...lol

4) Says Joe Gibb's stop calling plays due to media pressure?....lol

5) Says he checked out Haynesworth before the FA signing and that Sherm Smith vouched for his time in Tennessee. Seems that Sherm Smith disagrees 100% with Vinny. In fact, he told them "BUYER BEWARE". A flat out lie by Vinny on the AH signing.
Smith: Cerrato's Recall 'Ridiculous'

6) Says Schwartz and Spaggs weren't experienced enough to be head coaches, but yet they thought a guy who had never been a coordinator would be a good head coach?....lol

7) You can tell he's lying about Dan's involvement in football matters. He always hesitates before he answers.


Former Redskins GM Vinny Cerrato Joins Mike Wise In Studio « CBS Washington

God I want this guy to get hit by a bus but still live. The best place for Vinny would be in traction in some rehab unit in a hospital right about now.


If I were Jim Zorn, I'd kick Vinny square in the nuts if I ever ran into him again.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't understand that either. Jim Zorn with a ego? You mean the man that used words like "gosh golly" and "ouchie" is a man with a ego? No, Bill Parcells has a ego. Bill Bellicheat has a ego. Rex Ryan has a ego. Mike Shannahan has a ego. Jim Zorn does not have a ego.


I find some things comical about Vinny.

1) says he had nobody on staff that could call the plays, then rips Zorn for not listening to said incompetent staff

2) Wise asks him who's idea it was to bring in Jeff George after Brad Johnson had that good year. He doesn't recall...lol......in other word's it was Danny boys decision.

3) Considers Joe's second tenure a success...lol

4) Says Joe Gibb's stop calling plays due to media pressure?....lol

5) Says he checked out Haynesworth before the FA signing and that Sherm Smith vouched for his time in Tennessee. Seems that Sherm Smith disagrees 100% with Vinny. In fact, he told them "BUYER BEWARE". A flat out lie by Vinny on the AH signing.
Smith: Cerrato's Recall 'Ridiculous'

6) Says Schwartz and Spaggs weren't experienced enough to be head coaches, but yet they thought a guy who had never been a coordinator would be a good head coach?....lol

7) You can tell he's lying about Dan's involvement in football matters. He always hesitates before he answers.


Former Redskins GM Vinny Cerrato Joins Mike Wise In Studio « CBS Washington

God I want this guy to get hit by a bus but still live. The best place for Vinny would be in traction in some rehab unit in a hospital right about now.

Look at the piece he said about Joe Gibbs. It's hard to say he's lying about that. When the offense struggled during the final games of the 2005 season, and in the playoffs, most people, the media, and myself included, blamed Joe Gibbs for being too conservative. Joe Gibbs, being the man he is, brought in Al Saunders because he started to believe the criticism and wanted to help the team.

When Vinny says if Gibbs called the plays in 2006, that they'd be back in the playoffs, i agree 100%. Seeing how much utter shit we were in 2006 made me eat crow, and i missed the Joe Gibbs offense. Hell it was simple minded, but it worked, was proven, and WON CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Gibbs did get Cerrato high praise to Snyder. that much is true. I dont really believe Joe Gibbs would lie, just to put over the organization on his way out.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

When Vinny says if Gibbs called the plays in 2006, that they'd be back in the playoffs, i agree 100%. Seeing how much utter shit we were in 2006 made me eat crow, and i missed the Joe Gibbs offense. Hell it was simple minded, but it worked, was proven, and WON CHAMPIONSHIPS.

That offense won in a different era. One that had bypassed Joe a long time ago. We wouldn't have done any better with Joe calling the plays. As much as it pains Skins fans to say it, Joe was a failure his second go around regardless of those two meaningless playoff appearances. You can't be out of the league for that long and not lose something. What he did bring to this team was respect, hope, and leadership.

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Gibbs did get Cerrato high praise to Snyder. that much is true. I dont really believe Joe Gibbs would lie, just to put over the organization on his way out.

I don't believe Joe would "lie", but it's hard to be objective when you got people constantly kissing your ass, and that's exactly what people did.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That offense won in a different era. One that had bypassed Joe a long time ago. We wouldn't have done any better with Joe calling the plays. As much as it pains Skins fans to say it, Joe was a failure his second go around regardless of those two meaningless playoff appearances. You can't be out of the league for that long and not lose something. What he did bring to this team was respect, hope, and leadership.





I don't believe Joe would "lie", but it's hard to be objective when you got people constantly kissing your ass, and that's exactly what people did.

I strongly disagree that Gibbs II was a failure. If you base it on expectations & you thought he'd win a superbowl, then yes he was a failure. But if you simply judge those 4 years by a few seasons before him & a few seasons after him, you see that Gibbs brought this team the only success it's had in the past decade. You have to judge him relative to what he walked into, which was a total mess. If the organization was in better shape to begin, I think he would've taken us further.

Back to Vinny; we can only imagine what Gibbs II tenure would've been like if Vinny wasn't here. I can't claim to know how the power structure operated then, but what everyone says about Vinny is that he always looked out for himself. He couldn't have been good for Gibbs.

[WilbursHomie]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Why do people still talk to Vinny? Seriously...

Exactly, Vinny should be getting the Steve Bartmen treatment in DC.

[MTK]

There's a reason why VC's phone will never ring from anyone in this league, other than from Snyder of course. He's a complete FAIL as a GM.

[SolidSnake84]

I really truly feel in my heart that Vinny C. is a dickhead, but i think with spewing alot of his B.S., he gave us alot of truth about how things happened in the organization. Just wait for it, he will trash Dan Snyder before it is all over, and then Vinny will be a hero, lol.

[MTK]

Snyder is the only supporter VC has... if he trashes him he's even more dumb than we thought.

[SmootSmack]

I've always felt like Snyder's friendship with Cerrato was not so much about the two if them, but about Snyder's respect for his father who, for whatever reason, was very tight with Vinny.

I know a lot of front offices would welcome VC to be part of their organization and do tge dirty work in the background. He had his first chance to lead here and he failed

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've always felt like Snyder's friendship with Cerrato was not so much about the two if them, but about Snyder's respect for his father who, for whatever reason, was very tight with Vinny.

I know a lot of front offices would welcome VC to be part of their organization and do tge dirty work in the background. He had his first chance to lead here and he failed

You really think he could get another NFL job? He was out a year when Marty fired him without a sniff and now he's been out another year. Any sort of personel job with another team could do a lot to rebuild his reputation...I find it hard to believe if there was anything out there for him that he wouldn't jump at it.

[SmootSmack]

Let me rephrase: I know his football skill set would be welcome. It's everything else he brings that hurts him

[SolidSnake84]

He is still working in football to this day. Mac Brown, from Texas hired him just last month to come in and evaluate the players and serve as a consultant.

A matter of time before he finds work again. He is proven in the NFL to work in the background, with his one shot at true leadership being a failure. It makes me wonder if he would have been any different had he been with another, more winning organization.

[MTK]

Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.