2011 NFL Draft

[celts32]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Mike Shanahan seems very decisive and self-assured, but his history shows some indecision, or at least struggling, w/some of his qb moves. Recently, we saw that in 2010 when he first pulled mcnabb. His story just wasn't straight, like he wasn't quite sure why he did it. I know he may have been taking the heat for his son. Then rex becomes the starter late in the year, this after Shanahan & co. traded JC & brought mcnabb here as the qb. Go back to denver & look at his history of pulling plummer, brister, etc.

My point is that he's likely quite far from being that sold on Locker, Newton or many others. Even if he likes Locker a lot, if he feels he can get him later, he'll try that. I wonder if he's truly that sold on him. My guess is that w/limited picks in the early rounds, he's not taking him at #10.

I hear you...all i am saying is that if he's unsure then i don't really care if we get locker or not. But if he were sold on him I would rather he just take him at 10 rather then fk around with it. I am on record last year that they should have traded whatever it took to get Bradford. There is no price to high for a 10+ year franchise QB. I don't understand sitting back and watching Bradford go to St Louis only to turn around a month later and tell the media you think Bradford is the best QB prospect you have seen in years! That makes no sense to me...

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by celts32

I hear you...all i am saying is that if he's unsure then i don't really care if we get locker or not. But if he were sold on him I would rather he just take him at 10 rather then fk around with it. I am on record last year that they should have traded whatever it took to get Bradford. There is no price to high for a 10+ year franchise QB. I don't understand sitting back and watching Bradford go to St Louis only to turn around a month later and tell the media you think Bradford is the best QB prospect you have seen in years! That makes no sense to me...

I see your point & I agree if it's a guy like Bradford or Luck. My guess is that St. Louis wanted way too much for that pick & we didn't have it. I say that because later in the spring we made a deal w/St. Louis for Carriker.

Part of what I'm saying is, maybe Shanny et al are just as perplexed about some of these guys as we are. I would bet that we'll take a qb in the 2nd or after a trade back in the 1st, but they won't gamble on one w/the #10. Just basing that on what we've seen of MS & BA so far.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I see your point & I agree if it's a guy like Bradford or Luck. My guess is that St. Louis wanted way too much for that pick & we didn't have it. I say that because later in the spring we made a deal w/St. Louis for Carriker.

Part of what I'm saying is, maybe Shanny et al are just as perplexed about some of these guys as we are. I would bet that we'll take a qb in the 2nd or after a trade back in the 1st, but they won't gamble on one w/the #10. Just basing that on what we've seen of MS & BA so far.

If thats the case and they are perplexed then they should trade back again in the 2nd round before taking a QB.

I don't buy the whole "the price was to high" argument teams use for not getting a trade done. When it's a franchise QB and future picks can be used there is no price you can't pay. Take the famous chart value from going from #4 up to #1 and start there...then you keep adding picks until you get a yes. babe Ruth and Wayne Gretzky were traded...Every player has a price tag. This is a QB league now more then ever...you are not even in the game until you have one.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by celts32

If thats the case and they are perplexed then they should trade back again in the 2nd round before taking a QB.

I don't buy the whole "the price was to high" argument teams use for not getting a trade done. When it's a franchise QB and future picks can be used there is no price you can't pay. Take the famous chart value from going from #4 up to #1 and start there...then you keep adding picks until you get a yes. babe Ruth and Wayne Gretzky were traded...Every player has a price tag. This is a QB league now more then ever...you are not even in the game until you have one.

You have to consider B. Allen & Shanahan's position though. They just took over & were tasked w/transforming the culture & team; trading away the whole draft a la M.ditka for Ricky williams, would be a tough way to start that.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

You have to consider B. Allen & Shanahan's position though. They just took over & were tasked w/transforming the culture & team; trading away the whole draft a la M.ditka for Ricky williams, would be a tough way to start that.

I see your point...my problem is more with him gushing over bradford after the fact. If Shanny felt that strongly i would be on board with whatever he traded away.