2011 NFL Draft

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Who the hell drafts a guard or a blocking tight end with their first round pick?

Quarterback Time Haters. They build walls of Jericho around trailer parks.

Originally Posted by Lotus

Well then, Mr. We-need-a-QB, what is your plan for the QB position?

Theres as many as 8 quality prospects to pick from, 6 of which will be available to us. Your telling me we can't draft any of them? Rather we should wait and press our luck that the currently unprecedented 3 year run of quality QB drafts will continue for a 5th year in 2012 (which it might but we're not getting Luck)? There is a QB out there that fits our system, weather it's a guy at pick 10 or pick 41.

Sorry if I'm not as confident in Rex Grossman as the rest of you, but there needs to be a viable plan B for the games most important position.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Quarterback Time Haters. They build walls of Jericho around trailer parks.



Theres as many as 8 quality prospects to pick from, 6 of which will be available to us. Your telling me we can't draft any of them? Rather we should wait and press our luck that the currently unprecedented 3 year run of quality QB drafts will continue for a 5th year in 2012 (which it might but we're not getting Luck)? There is a QB out there that fits our system, weather it's a guy at pick 10 or pick 41.

Are you really saying that there are 8 quality qbs this year? Lets cut that in half and say that there is an average of 4 a year. Every team would have their franchise qb on their roster right now. When you look at the numbers, there is less than one franchise qb a year that has been drafted in the 1st 2 rounds over the last 10 years (unless you count Kolb, there have been none in the 2nd). I'd even say there are less than one per year that have been drafted at all in the last 10 years, but I know I'd stand pretty much alone in that argument.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinster

Are you really saying that there are 8 quality qbs this year? Lets cut that in half and say that there is an average of 4 a year. Every team would have their franchise qb on their roster right now. When you look at the numbers, there is less than one franchise qb a year that has been drafted in the 1st 2 rounds over the last 10 years (unless you count Kolb, there have been none in the 2nd). I'd even say there are less than one per year that have been drafted at all in the last 10 years, but I know I'd stand pretty much alone in that argument.

Ponder, Locker, Dalton, and Kaepernick (possibly Stanzi as well) are all QB's that are capable of being coached up by the Shanahans. All 4 are also mobile and capable of protecting the O-Line.

Still I think that people here should seriously prepare for this team drafting Locker as early as 10. Raw talent seems to matter the most to Shanahan and only Newton has more raw talent then Locker. The difference is Locker has been pegged as fitting Shanahan's system and we've already heard how much he likes him.

To put it simply Locker is the Trent Williams of the QB position. And I believe, gun to my head and I have to be right that for better or worse Locker will be drafted by the Redskins, and it's very possible that unless they can trade back that it will happen with the 10th pick.

Also the last 10 years doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that we're looking at the 4th year of an amazing 3 year run of QB drafts. All classes that were deemed weak by this board on draft day. Also keep in mind that it takes 2 to 3 years to develop a QB. 1st and 2nd round lineman on the other hand are routinely developing in half a year, some as early as opening day. At most it's 2 years and thats in rare cases.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Ponder, Locker, Dalton, and Kaepernick (possibly Stanzi as well) are all QB's that are capable of being coached up by the Shanahans. All 4 are also mobile and capable of protecting the O-Line.

Still I think that people here should seriously prepare for this team drafting Locker as early as 10. Raw talent seems to matter the most to Shanahan and only Newton has more raw talent then Locker. The difference is Locker has been pegged as fitting Shanahan's system and we've already heard how much he likes him.

To put it simply Locker is the Trent Williams of the QB position. And I believe, gun to my head and I have to be right that for better or worse Locker will be drafted by the Redskins, and it's very possible that unless they can trade back that it will happen with the 10th pick.

Also the last 10 years doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that we're looking at the 4th year of an amazing 3 year run of QB drafts. All classes that were deemed weak by this board on draft day.

Jimmy Clausen, Pat White, Chad Henne, Brian Brohm, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Kellen Clemens, and Travaris Jackson are all the 2nd round prospects that "were able to be coached up" over the last 10 years.

There is a difference between "this can be our guy" and "this will be our guy." I'm not saying that we should not draft a qb, I'm just saying that we better damn well be sure it WILL be our guy.
There is a zero percent chance more than one of the guys you just mentioned would make it as our franchise qb. Every year people make the same statements you are making about potential, and every year they are wrong. Look to the past to predict the future. You can rationalize your opinions as much as you want, but it is a fact that your opinions on this subject are wrong as been proven by history (you see what I did there ).

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinster

Jimmy Clausen, Pat White, Chad Henne, Brian Brohm, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Kellen Clemens, and Travaris Jackson are all the 2nd round prospects that "were able to be coached up" over the last 10 years.

There is a difference between "this can be our guy" and "this will be our guy." I'm not saying that we should not draft a qb, I'm just saying that we better damn well be sure it WILL be our guy.
There is a zero percent chance more than one of the guys you just mentioned would make it as our franchise qb. Every year people make the same statements you are making about potential, and every year they are wrong. Look to the past to predict the future. You can rationalize your opinions as much as you want, but it is a fact that your opinions on this subject are wrong as been proven by history (you see what I did there ).

You are right about most second rounders...except for folks like Drew Brees. There are exceptions to your logic.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are right about most second rounders...except for folks like Drew Brees. There are exceptions to your logic.

I was well aware of Drew Brees when I said that (I said drafted in the last 10 years to avoid this conversation). I never said second rounders are impossible to hit on, I was trying to convey to Dirtbag that a qb is not something that can be easily picked up or developed. I was trying to say that a 2nd round qb is not something to be counted on as the future.
But as a side note, there are currently more qb's drafted in the 6th round that have made a pro bowl than in the 2nd (Drew Brees is the only one).

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Theres as many as 8 quality prospects to pick from, 6 of which will be available to us. Your telling me we can't draft any of them? Rather we should wait and press our luck that the currently unprecedented 3 year run of quality QB drafts will continue for a 5th year in 2012 (which it might but we're not getting Luck)? There is a QB out there that fits our system, weather it's a guy at pick 10 or pick 41.

Sorry if I'm not as confident in Rex Grossman as the rest of you, but there needs to be a viable plan B for the games most important position.

My friend, you did not answer my question. Please be specific. Let's hear a clear plan.

I say Ponder in the second. What say you?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

My friend, you did not answer my question. Please be specific. Let's hear a clear plan.

I say Ponder in the second. What say you?

I invoke the go with God defense as well as my right against self incrimination. Basically whoever Shanahan picks I will support and believe in because I believe that in spite of the McNabb fiasco the Shanahans still know how to find and develop QB's.

At the moment I'm trying to like Locker but he scares me. I personally would probably go with Dalton or Ponder in the second, which would be easier if I could learn specifics about Dalton. However as I've been saying over the past hour I think that the Skins are going to use a first round pick on Locker.

I think that right now their Plan A is to trade down into the late teens and pick up a third round pick and draft Locker. Plan B will be to take Locker at 10. Remember Shanahan was the the guy that took Cutler at 11, so I personally believe he won't have any problem taking him at 10 if he thinks that what it'll take to get him.

Of course all of this is speculation on my part and only based on what I've heard about Lockers skillset, Shanahan being reported as highly interested in Locker, and the word of a Skins beat reporter for the Examiner that heard the Redskins will find a way to get Locker.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I invoke the go with God defense as well as my right against self incrimination. Basically whoever Shanahan picks I will support and believe in because I believe that in spite of the McNabb fiasco the Shanahans still know how to find and develop QB's.

At the moment I'm trying to like Locker but he scares me. I personally would probably go with Dalton or Ponder in the second, which would be easier if I could learn specifics about Dalton. However as I've been saying over the past hour I think that the Skins are going to use a first round pick on Locker.

I think that right now their Plan A is to trade down into the late teens and pick up a third round pick and draft Locker. Plan B will be to take Locker at 10. Remember Shanahan was the the guy that took Cutler at 11, so I personally believe he won't have any problem taking him at 10 if he thinks that what it'll take to get him.

Fair enough. I pray that you are wrong about Locker - not because we'd be drafting him but because #10 is way too high.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Fair enough. I pray that you are wrong about Locker - not because we'd be drafting him but because #10 is way too high.

I do to, if my notion is right then I hope that it's done through a trade down. At least that way they can add two players in the trenches in the first 3 rounds with that extra pick.

I'd also add that I think that the elder Shanahan views Locker as a McNabb clone. However the main difference is that Locker will be more open to what Shanahan wants in terms of coaching and running the system then McNabb and as a result will succeed.