Potential Government Shut Down

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by saden1

You will be alright I'm sure, I wonder if the secretaries and janitors will be. There are a lot of low level government employees who will be hurting and I'm not interested in depriving them of a paycheck while paying military personal. The financial troubles of this country is partly due to the isolation of the military from any cuts and babying them at every turn in budgetary matters while throwing other government employees under the bus. Fck that!

1) Actually you have no idea what my financial situation is. Further, the secretaries and janitors which you mention are my colleagues and friends, so I'm quite sure that I know their lives better than you do. Making an argument based on personal finances of which you are ignorant is fallacious.

2) Your complaint about isolating the military from other cuts is a good one. As I said above, I advocate a drastic reduction in our military budget. But that is a systemic problem which requires changes in large-scale planning and financial infrastructure. Not paying military families in the short term, as you have advocated, does nothing to bring about this overall, long-term planning and infrastructure change.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1) Actually you have no idea what my financial situation is. Further, the secretaries and janitors which you mention are my colleagues and friends, so I'm quite sure that I know their lives better than you do. Making an argument based on personal finances of which you are ignorant is fallacious.

2) Your complaint about isolating the military from other cuts is a good one. As I said above, I advocate a drastic reduction in our military budget. But that is a systemic problem which requires changes in large-scale planning and financial infrastructure. Not paying military families in the short term, as you have advocated, does nothing to bring about this overall, long-term planning and infrastructure change.

LOOL, you are the one who said you wouldn't have a problem with depriving you of wages. Do read your posts or I'm I supposed to read a certain way?

Absolutely it does bring about change. The next time there is a threat of a shutdown the president will have more leverage. Kudos to obama for setting a precedence.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOOL, you are the one who said you wouldn't have a problem with depriving you of wages. Do read your posts or I'm I supposed to read a certain way?

Absolutely it does bring about change. The next time there is a threat of a shutdown the president will have more leverage. Kudos to obama for setting a precedence.

1) Yes, I said that I would not have a problem with being deprived of wages while military families get paid. Nothing that I said above contradicted that. You still have no idea how much hardship that would or would not bring to me.

But you failed to understand my point so let me put things differently: I am a government worker. You are not. So don't lecture me on the life of a government worker. Shall I lecture you on what it is like to live in Seattle?

2) No, a short-term solution does not bring about long-term structural change. Only long-term solutions do. This point is not difficult to grasp.

It is not as hard to admit that you are wrong as you make it out to be.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

It is not as hard to admit that you are wrong as you make it out to be.

Well done Lotus. However, I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening. LOL

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1) Yes, I said that I would not have a problem with being deprived of wages while military families get paid. Nothing that I said above contradicted that. You still have no idea how much hardship that would or would not bring to me.

But you failed to understand my point so let me put things differently: I am a government worker. You are not. So don't lecture me on the life of a government worker. Shall I lecture you on what it is like to live in Seattle?

2) No, a short-term solution does not bring about long-term structural change. Only long-term solutions do. This point is not difficult to grasp.

It is not as hard to admit that you are wrong as you make it out to be.

I don't know what hardship is and I can't possibly know what it is like to be a low level government employee? That's all you got? You have no clue what you are talking about so there is no reason to admit I am wrong.

So weak, so rubbish of a post.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1) Actually you have no idea what my financial situation is. Further, the secretaries and janitors which you mention are my colleagues and friends, so I'm quite sure that I know their lives better than you do. Making an argument based on personal finances of which you are ignorant is fallacious.

2) Your complaint about isolating the military from other cuts is a good one. As I said above, I advocate a drastic reduction in our military budget. But that is a systemic problem which requires changes in large-scale planning and financial infrastructure. Not paying military families in the short term, as you have advocated, does nothing to bring about this overall, long-term planning and infrastructure change.

Furthermore you have no idea who I known and don't know and whether I know secretaries/janitors and thier financial situation. So for you assume I don't know anything while accusing me of assuming things is absurd.