2011 NFL Mock Draft thread.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Landry44

He didn't make anyone on his team better so how is it that he has great leadership skills?

Stop.
The team was 0-12 2 years ago (Locker on played in 4 games that year) this year they're 7-6 and won a bowl game in their first bowl appearance in 8 years.

When you say he didn't make anyone better you are factually incorrect.

Dude improved the entire football program.

And his leadership is universally praised even by scouts that don't like him.
The fact that you can't even make that concession makes it pretty clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about.

His team was sub 500 under his so called leadership. He has the ability(like many others) to make big throws but he rarely does.

I concede that for his career he was sub .500 but again we're talking about a program that was on the downside when he got there and he brought them 2 back to back above .500 seasons.

He rarely makes big throws? Really?

Originally Posted by Rob Rang

Locker has made some of his most impressive throws in critical situations, coming through with clutch passes in upsets over USC, Cal, and most recently against Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. Throws like those have forced scouts to wonder how successful he might be if surrounded by more talent.

His accuracy is terrible that is why he had a 55% completion percentage.

Accuracy is not the same as completion percentage.
Accuracy is about ball placement.

But, even if you look only at his completion % to arrive at the conclusion that 'his accuracy is terrible' then how do you justify his 70% comp % outside the pocket? He cannot by definition be a net inaccurate passer if he's magically more accurate on the more difficult throws on the move outside the pocket.

His whole college career has been mediocre at best.

His stats have been mediocre I'll agree with that but thankfully the scouting process isn't about looking at stats because stats tell you more about the team then the prospect.

*Even despite the large gap in the quality of the teams that surround them Gabbert the No.1 rated QBs 2010 stats aren't much better then Locker's:

Gabbert: QB Rating:127--63.6 comp %---16 TD---9 Ints----23 sacks
Locker: QB Rating: 124--55.4 comp%----17 TD---9 Ints----19 sacks

But, again its not even about the stats.

You look at the measureables: arm strength, ball placement, release, escapability, experience, ability to execute a pro-style offense, ability to execute 3-5-7 step drops in a rhythm passing offense, etc...

I understand that you might not understand or see why Locker is a top prospect, but lets not pretend that he's not okay?

HTTR!

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Stop.
The team was 0-12 2 years ago (Locker on played in 4 games that year) this year they're 7-6 and won a bowl game in their first bowl appearance in 8 years.

When you say he didn't make anyone better you are factually incorrect.

Dude improved the entire football program.

And his leadership is universally praised even by scouts that don't like him.
The fact that you can't even make that concession makes it pretty clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about.


I concede that for his career he was sub .500 but again we're talking about a program that was on the downside when he got there and he brought them 2 back to back above .500 seasons.

He rarely makes big throws? Really?



Accuracy is not the same as completion percentage.
Accuracy is about ball placement.

But, even if you look only at his completion % to arrive at the conclusion that 'his accuracy is terrible' then how do you justify his 70% comp % outside the pocket? He cannot by definition be a net inaccurate passer if he's magically more accurate on the more difficult throws on the move outside the pocket.


His stats have been mediocre I'll agree with that but thankfully the scouting process isn't about looking at stats because stats tell you more about the team then the prospect.

*Even despite the large gap in the quality of the teams that surround them Gabbert the No.1 rated QBs 2010 stats aren't much better then Locker's:

Gabbert: QB Rating:127--63.6 comp %---16 TD---9 Ints----23 sacks
Locker: QB Rating: 124--55.4 comp%----17 TD---9 Ints----19 sacks

But, again its not even about the stats.

You look at the measureables: arm strength, ball placement, release, escapability, experience, ability to execute a pro-style offense, ability to execute 3-5-7 step drops in a rhythm passing offense, etc...

I understand that you might not understand or see why Locker is a top prospect, but lets not pretend that he's not okay?

HTTR!

Jake Locker didn't make anyone around here better because his team sucked. His winning percentage is terrible and his individual numbers wasn't much better. Now you might have some scouts that think he's a good leader. However, I don't judge a guy based on what he does in the huddle or on the sideline. I judge a guy based on what I see on the field. One the field the only thing this guy has led his team too was a lot of losses.

[/QUOTE]Dude improved the entire football program.[/QUOTE] I don't call one winning season changing a program around. Even the season he did have a winning record they were only 7-6. That's not impressive by any stretch of the imagination. If you want to see a guy who turned a program around you need to take a look at Colin Kaepernick. He led his team to a 13-1 season. That's what you call true leadership.

[/QUOTE]The fact that you can't even make that concession makes it pretty clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]I concede that for his career he was sub .500 but again we're talking about a program that was on the downside when he got there and he brought them 2 back to back above .500 seasons.
[/QUOTE] Before you started lecturing me about what's factually incorrect you need to take a look at what you post. Jake Locker went 4-9 his first season, 0-12 his second season, 5-7 his second season, and 7-6 last season. He has never put together back to back winning seasons.

[/QUOTE]He rarely makes big throws? Really?



Accuracy is not the same as completion percentage.
Accuracy is about ball placement.
[/QUOTE] Did you actually watch Jake Locker play or did you just watch his highlights? This guy does not pass the ball well on a consistent basis. In the pocket (where all qbs pass the ball most of the time) he's not accurate. Through out his career you can point to only a couple of games where he actually played the qb position well. Most of the games he's played he misses open receivers or he panics and run when he doesn't have too. His low completion percentage is a direct result of how poorly his passed the football last season. Anyone who has actual watched Locker over the years know what I'm saying is true.


[/QUOTE]I understand that you might not understand or see why Locker is a top prospect, but lets not pretend that he's not okay?[/QUOTE] I understand why some scouts like Jake Locker. But if they really look at him resume they'll see that he's not all that good.

[Landry44]

To sum it I don't think Jake Locker is a good prospect. I think he has great skills but he just didn't show me anything in college. Now he might actually be pretty once he get into an offense that fit his skill set but I'm not sold on him.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Landry44

Jake Locker didn't make anyone around here better because his team sucked.His winning percentage is terrible and his individual numbers wasn't much better. Now you might have some scouts that think he's a good leader. However, I don't judge a guy based on what he does in the huddle or on the sideline. I judge a guy based on what I see on the field. One the field the only thing this guy has led his team too was a lot of losses.

That's not even close to logical my friend.

0-12 to 5-7 is huge and improvement, 5-7 to 7-5 is an improvement.

Over 2 years 0-12 to 7-5 and a bowl game victory is a huge improvement.

If you can't see or accept that you're simply being dishonest.

Win % is a team stats but its clear that he helped Washington improve.

I don't call one winning season changing a program around. Even the season he did have a winning record they were only 7-6. That's not impressive by any stretch of the imagination.

Only to you my friend only to you.

If you want to see a guy who turned a program around you need to take a look at Colin Kaepernick. He led his team to a 13-1 season. That's what you call true leadership.

Wait taking an 8-5 team to 13-1 is turning a program around? Really? 2009 7-6

He has never put together back to back winning seasons.

You're correct.

Did you actually watch Jake Locker play or did you just watch his highlights?

Not that it would matter to you but I've watched a bunch of Washington games and have even charted a game (every pass) and its posted somewhere in this forum.

This guy does not pass the ball well on a consistent basis. In the pocket (where all qbs pass the ball most of the time) he's not accurate. Through out his career you can point to only a couple of games where he actually played the qb position well. Most of the games he's played he misses open receivers or he panics and run when he doesn't have too. His low completion percentage is a direct result of how poorly his passed the football last season. Anyone who has actual watched Locker over the years know what I'm saying is true.

If you've watched Washington play have you actually noticed the team the OL? The WRs?

I think you're problem is you have a hard time separating the QB from their team when it comes to evaluation.

I mention the comparison between Locker and Gabbert's stats if Locker's stats are terrible playing for a far worse team what are Gabbert's stats?
-Which btw is moot point because scouting is different from looking at stats.

The idea that Locker isn't accurate at all from the pocket simply isn't true even from scouts that don't like him.

They point to Locker being inconsistent and/or uncomfortable in the pocket.

But, the people teams/scouts that like Locker as prospect likely see a QB that isn't randomly inconsistent or uncomfortable in the pocket but a QB who like any QB is gonna have decreased accuracy and comfort due to the level of pass protection:

I understand why some scouts like Jake Locker.

No, I don't believe you do.