How did other teams do?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

I think Detroit owned the first round. Fairley and Suh? Are you kidding me? We couldn't block Suh, imagine having to deal with both of them? Amazing. Congrats to the Lions, they deserve something good. Now it's our turn.

I agee. Real nice job by Det. Martin Mayhew seems to know what he's doing. If Fairley can keep his momentum going then this is going to be a great pick.

[Dirtbag59]

Falcons messed up big. I'm sorry but a second receiver might help you out during the regular season but during the postseason it's not going to overcome a defense that has been exposed.

With what they gave up, Jones would have to get on the Larry Fitzgerald level to be worth what was traded for him. And it's sad to. By no means is he a bad player, he has a great work ethic, he's tough, played through injury (ran a 4.39 with a foot that need surgery), also had the production worthy of a top 10 draft pick. He's like an offensive lineman playing receiver.

I feel bad for him. Unless he's posting 1,300 yard seasons he will have fallen short of expectations.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Falcons messed up big. I'm sorry but a second receiver might help you out during the regular season but during the postseason it's not going to overcome a defense that has been exposed.

With what they gave up, Jones would have to get on the Larry Fitzgerald level to be worth what was traded for him. And it's sad to. By no means is he a bad player, he has a great work ethic, he's tough, played through injury (ran a 4.39 with a foot that need surgery), also had the production worthy of a top 10 draft pick.

I feel bad for him. Unless he's posting 1,300 yard seasons he will have fallen short of expectations.

I want to lambast the Falcons for this, but they are actually a pretty good fit for Jones. Of all the places he could have landed, their system (with White established as the no. 1) is one of the few places where he will avoid appearing as a bust.

They gave up WAY, WAY too much for the production they will get. It wasn't at all a good move. But if any other team had made the same move, there would be a clock counting down to the firing of their front office. With Dimitroff, it's an aggressive move that probably hurts the team, but actually makes some sense for them.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I want to lambast the Falcons for this, but they are actually a pretty good fit for Jones. Of all the places he could have landed, their system (with White established as the no. 1) is one of the few places where he will avoid appearing as a bust.

They gave up WAY, WAY too much for the production they will get. It wasn't at all a good move. But if any other team had made the same move, there would be a clock counting down to the firing of their front office. With Dimitroff, it's an aggressive move that probably hurts the team, but actually makes some sense for them.

Not only did they give up waaaaaay too much for a boom or bust kind of position like WR, all their fans are thinking about the 300 points that Aaron Rogers put up on them in the playoffs. They didn't think defense, they already have a stud WR, and they mortgaged off basically two drafts for one guy.

I like Julio Jones a lot, but this was an epic fail IMO. Are the five draft picks they gave worth more than the difference of being patient, staying put, and selecting a guy like Jonathan Baldwin?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Falcons messed up big. I'm sorry but a second receiver might help you out during the regular season but during the postseason it's not going to overcome a defense that has been exposed.

With what they gave up, Jones would have to get on the Larry Fitzgerald level to be worth what was traded for him. And it's sad to. By no means is he a bad player, he has a great work ethic, he's tough, played through injury (ran a 4.39 with a foot that need surgery), also had the production worthy of a top 10 draft pick. He's like an offensive lineman playing receiver.

I feel bad for him. Unless he's posting 1,300 yard seasons he will have fallen short of expectations.

BUT, they were 13-3. He could be the final piece they need to win it all. He really does make their offense scary.

Speaking of scary...Detroit's defense.

I think the winner is the Saints though, TWO solid picks. Holmgren got his team an amazing deal too.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

BUT, they were 13-3. He could be the final piece they need to win it all. He really does make their offense scary.

Speaking of scary...Detroit's defense.

I think the winner is the Saints though, TWO solid picks. Holmgren got his team an amazing deal too.

I agree, and I am not picking on you or them. But it is easy to look good when you have mortgaged next year's first round.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So not including our Skins, how do you think other teams did?

I'll be honest - I was going to start a thread on Cam Newton, based on this tweet:



Think the Panthers may really have blown it, Cam's first comment was, he's going on vacation, and his second (that I've heard) was a direct slam of another teammate. Not a good start...

But the whole first round may be worth some discussion, and later rounds too...

I would say the Browns got the best trade obviously, and Atlanta made the dumbest one.

Ponder by far was the biggest reach.

Other than Carolina the other top 4 made good picks.

And a good laugh at the end with Chicago and Baltimore's little escapade.

That was a fun evening of tv and Warpath!

Sometimes I wonder what the hell NFL front office people are thinking. Cam Newton has so many holes as a QB. He must've went in the Carolina complex and sold them. This pick is going to set them back for the next several years.

[skinsfan69]

Also how about Tenn and Minn reaching??? It just goes to show how desperate teams are for good QB play.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Also how about Tenn and Minn reaching??? It just goes to show how desperate teams are for good QB play.

I don't know about Minnesota, but I think Chris Palmer (of David Carr fame) in Tenneesee looked back on his time in Houston and thought, "you know what, either way I'm going to need a QB that can outrun people and not get sacked every 2 seconds and we're already getting rid of Vince, so yeah lets get Locker."

[GTripp0012]

I just dont understand the praise being heaped on the Eagles and Giants this morning. The Giants went BPA and ended up taking a non-impact player at a premium position that wasn't a need. Amukamara is a no. 2 corner on that team who should start for them between 2012 and 2019. Hardly a cause for a party.

And the Eagles picked a 26 year old interior lineman. Probably the worst pick of the round and out of character for the Eagles.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just dont understand the praise being heaped on the Eagles and Giants this morning. The Giants went BPA and ended up taking a non-impact player at a premium position that wasn't a need. Amukamara is a no. 2 corner on that team who should start for them between 2012 and 2019. Hardly a cause for a party.

And the Eagles picked a 26 year old interior lineman. Probably the worst pick of the round and out of character for the Eagles.

I disagree about the Giants. I think that they need better play from, and depth within, their corner ranks. And while Amukamara likely won't be much of a playmaker, he should be a very solid corner. I think getting the second best corner in the draft at #19 is good value.

As for the Iggles, they struck by combining value with need. I grant that his age would have made him less attractive to me. But at least for several years they have shored up a weakness.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I disagree about the Giants. I think that they need better play from, and depth within, their corner ranks. And while Amukamara likely won't be much of a playmaker, he should be a very solid corner. I think getting the second best corner in the draft at #19 is good value.

As for the Iggles, they struck by combining value with need. I grant that his age would have made him less attractive to me. But at least for several years they have shored up a weakness.

Fair points. I just want to point out that in a year where the BPA strategy was paying higher than ever dividends to all teams that were patient and used it, the Giants drafted Prince Amukamara maybe 6 or 7 spots after his projected slot. In an other year, I don't know if Prince is a top 20 player. But this year, he unquestionably was, so I'll give the Giants props for their patience, if nothing else.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I disagree about the Giants. I think that they need better play from, and depth within, their corner ranks. And while Amukamara likely won't be much of a playmaker, he should be a very solid corner. I think getting the second best corner in the draft at #19 is good value.

As for the Iggles, they struck by combining value with need. I grant that his age would have made him less attractive to me. But at least for several years they have shored up a weakness.

The Giants should have gone o-line, they should've learned from the mistakes that we and the Cowboys made by letting our o-line get old. Oh well, more sacks for Rak and Superman

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The Giants should have gone o-line, they should've learned from the mistakes that we and the Cowboys made by letting our o-line get old. Oh well, more sacks for Rak and Superman

I definitely understand your argument and Tripp's arguments and they are good ones. But it still seems to me that the Giants did well in terms of maximizing value.

The Iggles are a weaker argument but they still at least tried to balance value and need well.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

The Good
Saints - two impact starters (yes I know they traded next year's #1) but it's likley to be a late #1 and both Jordan and Ingram fill major needs.

Detroit - well done, scary interior DL

Arizona - Peterson is a more physical version of Deion Sanders, game changer in two phases of the game.

Texans - Watt fills a big need and should help free up Mario Williams

Patriots - Solder brings needed help to either tackle spot, and the Pats also pick up a 1st rounder in 2012 for dropping 28 spots.

Colts - Castonzo, see above

Chiefs - Baldwin, big physical receiver to compliment and free up Bowe. Big time Red Zone threat.

Us - Trade down and pick up a 2nd, still fill a major need with a top shelf player.

The Bad
Atlanta - Julio Jones nice WR, but needs on D were much higher and top shelf DEs and OLBs were there for the pickin'

Titans - Locker at 8......no way.

Ravens/Bears - ha, ha, idiots.

The Ugly
Vikings - Ponder at # 12 ????? Folks will be looking for new jobs after this one.

Panthers - Newton......I'll echo the same thing many said yesterday before the draft. The Panthers have MANY needs and two QBs drafted last year, plus Matt Moore. You could put Peyton Manning in Carolina and they would still struggle. Why take such a huge risk on Newton with all his red flags and liabilities in the pass game? The chance of Newton succeeeding and becoming a top tier QB in the NFL is small. They could've taken Peterson to bring immediate help at CB and on specials, Von Miller, Dareus, etc. Rivera put his job on the line with this pick IMO and unfortunately for him this will likely send him back to being a DC rather than HC.

Falcons - trade for Jones......a 1st, a 2nd and two 4ths ???? No way, very bad move by the Falcons. They didn't get massacred by GB in their own house because of a lack of a second playmaking WR.