(Merged) Jason Campbell

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Ramsey in his fouth year is still trying to catch up to the NFL speed.

I don't think you can blame Ramsey on his STILL trying to catch up to NFL speed. Just consider how many head coaches, and how many systems the guy had to endure............blame the Redskin organization......

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by monk81

I don't think you can blame Ramsey on his STILL trying to catch up to NFL speed. Just consider how many head coaches, and how many systems the guy had to endure............blame the Redskin organization......

That is funny because Campbell had more offensive systems and offensive coordinator changes in the last four years than Ramsey. Campbell had 4 in four years and still did really well.
Because alot of people are calling Campbell mediocre college player I started to read more about the great and incredible Ramseys college career. HiIs team was 1-10 his jr. year and 3-9 his senior year. His biggest career day (stat wise) in college was against Navy. LOL
If you call Campbells career not so spectacular, Ramsey must be labeled as crap.
Yes, Ramsey had inflated stats in regards to yards in college, but look at the teams and defenses he was playing against. Crappy teams.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is funny because Campbell had more offensive systems and offensive coordinator changes in the last four years than Ramsey. Campbell had 4 in four years and still did really well.
Because alot of people are calling Campbell mediocre college player I started to read more about the great and incredible Ramseys college career. HiIs team was 1-10 his jr. year and 3-9 his senior year. His biggest career day (stat wise) in college was against Navy. LOL
If you call Campbells career not so spectacular, Ramsey must be labeled as crap.
Yes, Ramsey had inflated stats in regards to yards in college, but look at the teams and defenses he was playing against. Crappy teams.

The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB in the NFL...how can you have a chance when your laying on the turf because your coach doesn't fit the players he has with a system, he plays his sytem anyway, and what if you have no line....but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by monk81

The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB.......but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................

Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.

Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by monk81

Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE

If you read my original post on this thread, my original point is some folks are bashing Campbell, calling him an average college QB, at the same time saying Ramsey is so wonderful.
My point was if Campbell was an average college QB, Ramsey was a worse college QB. That is all. I used the two players stats, W-L records and teams they played against as evidence that Campbell was a better QB coming out of college. I see the same type of bashing that happened to D. McNabb, happeneing here in Washington.
I am NOT comparing McNabb to Campbell as players.
Lets let Campbell step on to the playing field before we write him off.
We have given Ramsey 4 years of a chance to be good, we are not willing to give a rookie one game.

[CRT3]

We should not bash hime untill we see the progress on the field. He will spend a few years on the bench/clipboard, by then Ramsey's play should speak for itself. I think now it is a good move. At first I totally disagreed, but think for the big picture it is correct. Now if they both fail then we shall be singing the blues. But the pick of Rodgers over Williams has me baffled.