Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[MTK]

I like the comparison to Vick's situation.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I like the comparison to Vick's situation.

I just don't see it that way. Vick is/was always the better QB and was w/out quesation the most valuable player on Atl. Plus he was rushing for 1,000 yards. Do you know what kind of pressure that puts on a defense? He always had a quick compact release and had the potential to be a very good passer. I'd call VY kind of a poor man's Michael Vick pre Philly. I don't think we'll ever see VY with a 21td 6 int ratio and Vick did that in what....12 starts or so?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't see it that way. Vick is/was always the better QB and was w/out quesation the most valuable player on Atl. Plus he was rushing for 1,000 yards. Do you know what kind of pressure that puts on a defense? He always had a quick compact release and had the potential to be a very good passer. I'd call VY kind of a poor man's Michael Vick pre Philly. I don't think we'll ever see VY with a 21td 6 int ratio and Vick did that in what....12 starts or so?

Not saying he's going to play like Vick... just that he has the potential to reinvent himself if he lands in the right situation and gets serious about being a pro.

[30gut]

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't see it that way. Vick is/was always the better QB and was w/out quesation the most valuable player on Atl. Plus he was rushing for 1,000 yards. Do you know what kind of pressure that puts on a defense? He always had a quick compact release and had the potential to be a very good passer. I'd call VY kind of a poor man's Michael Vick pre Philly. I don't think we'll ever see VY with a 21td 6 int ratio and Vick did that in what....12 starts or so?

Although I think Vince could work here; I think it would require a paradigm shift in Kyle's playcalling gameplanning style.

But, I agree with you and kinda bristle at the Vick comparison for 2 reasons.

From a physical/tangible stand point:

o Vick has a flawless throwing motion, he's always been one of the best throwers of the football in the game; Vince has a quircky 3/4 motion.

o Vick is a dynamic runner. Speed, vision, acceleration and toughness/willingness.
Vince is a good runner in his own right but Vick is on a different level.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

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Although I think Vince could work here; I think it would require a paradigm shift in Kyle's playcalling gameplanning style.

But, I agree with you and kinda bristle at the Vick comparison for 2 reasons.

From a physical/tangible stand point:

o Vick has a flawless throwing motion, he's always been one of the best throwers of the football in the game; Vince has a quircky 3/4 motion.

o Vick is a dynamic runner. Speed, vision, acceleration and toughness/willingness.
Vince is a good runner in his own right but Vick is on a different level.

I don't think anyone directly compared him to Vick, just that he could have a similar turnaround that Vick did if he sets his mind to it and has the right coaching.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think anyone directly compared him to Vick, just that he could have a similar turnaround that Vick did if he sets his mind to it and has the right coaching.

That makes sense, especially if you take into account that Vick had his breakout in year 2 w/the iggles. Prior to last season there was talk of him being traded. I think a lot of teams could've gotten him if they were willing to take the risk, but no one was banging on the door for him.

So in fairness to Young, he'd need at least a year to get up to speed in a new O. Problem for the skins is, we don't have the stability the Eagles did when they brought Vick in. The QB situation is unsettled & the McNabb trade makes it all the more imperative for Shanny not to fail on this one.

To play devil's advocate w/my own position; if VY was 2nd or 3rd string for a year, maybe he would come around in year two. I don't know if either side can be that patient.

[FRPLG]

I'm not a huge Young fan but he is right when he says pro-bowl QBs don't get kicked to the curb very often. I'm not sure what that means though. Is it a good thing for VY or bad?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'm not a huge Young fan but he is right when he says pro-bowl QBs don't get kicked to the curb very often. I'm not sure what that means though. Is it a good thing for VY or bad?

FWIW, Culpepper got kicked to the curb. As did Jeff Garcia.

[SmootSmack]

There was a time when Palmer may have been one of the more underrated QBs in the league, now he may be one of the more overrated.

I'm sure he'll be fine somewhere, but I don't want any QB brought here that's older than the guys we have.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There was a time when Palmer may have been one of the more underrated QBs in the league, now he may be one of the more overrated.

I'm sure he'll be fine somewhere, but I don't want any QB brought here that's older than the guys we have.

I agree. I'll take Vince Young over Palmer. If we had a team that was ready to compete for a title minus a QB, then I'd want Palmer, but we're getting young, it feels like we're finally moving on from Gibbs team.

I still think its pretty disappointing we didn't draft a QB in the draft. Who knows how any of these guys will work out, but I would feel more comfortable with a guy we at least had to play in the next year or so. If Beck falls flat on his face, it sets it back another year.

I'm not so concerned who starts for this team week 1 of next year (hopefully there is a week 1)... I'm looking to know who is starting week 1 next year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I agree. I'll take Vince Young over Palmer. If we had a team that was ready to compete for a title minus a QB, then I'd want Palmer, but we're getting young, it feels like we're finally moving on from Gibbs team.

I still think its pretty disappointing we didn't draft a QB in the draft. Who knows how any of these guys will work out, but I would feel more comfortable with a guy we at least had to play in the next year or so. If Beck falls flat on his face, it sets it back another year.

I'm not so concerned who starts for this team week 1 of next year (hopefully there is a week 1)... I'm looking to know who is starting week 1 next year.

So would I. He's younger, higher potential upside, and he won't cost us draft picks to get him here.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So would I. He's younger, higher potential upside, and he won't cost us draft picks to get him here.

As much as I don't want VY here, I would agree with this and others. I'd rather have VY than Palmer. I don't think Palmer is a good fit for this offense anyway.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

As much as I don't want VY here, I would agree with this and others. I'd rather have VY than Palmer. I don't think Palmer is a good fit for this offense anyway.

Neither do I. For whatever reason CP's mechanics have broken down over the past few years, analysts point out his poor footwork as a reason for some of his struggles. #5 had the same kind of issues, we don't need to go down that road again.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

As much as I don't want VY here, I would agree with this and others. I'd rather have VY than Palmer. I don't think Palmer is a good fit for this offense anyway.

Nor do you want to waste picks in order to bring a QB to compete. If the team brings VY, he'll have to compete for the QB position.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There was a time when Palmer may have been one of the more underrated QBs in the league, now he may be one of the more overrated.

I'm sure he'll be fine somewhere, but I don't want any QB brought here that's older than the guys we have.

If you go back 2 years ago Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell put nearly identical numbers, except Campbell put up his numbers in utter chaos and Palmer played with almost every possible advantage a QB could wish for.