CJ28 Doesn't like COPS. Says "It's hard being young, black and rich"

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Frankly, yes.

Crime happens in lower income areas because the people don't make much money. If I'm making $150,000 a year there's a lot more to lose if I'm caught selling drugs. There's also less to gain; the person making $150,000 doesn't need drug money to make ends meet.

The people who turn to selling drugs are often lower-income and often uneducated.

There will always be exceptions, but if we're talking about the most accurate way to profile somebody, it's based on income levels, not race or gender.

you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.

I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.

is selling as opposed to buying so much worse? i get what he is saying i just don't like when people paint with such a broad brush and like to live under assumptions. in my life i have meet a lot of good people and a lot of shitty people, i have also known and know plenty of people who used, use, and sell drugs. some of them aren't very wealthy and some of them are. some people (not accusing you) like to think the world is a certain way when the reality is every one has their issues not just kids/people from lower income families

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

is selling as opposed to buying so much worse? i get what he is saying i just don't like when people paint with such a broad brush and like to live under assumptions. in my life i have meet a lot of good people and a lot of shitty people, i have also known and know plenty of people who used, use, and sell drugs. some of them aren't very wealthy and some of them are. some people (not accusing you) like to think the world is a certain way when the reality is every one has their issues not just kids/people from lower income families

I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.

now we are talking about who is selling and buying, all i'm saying is just because you live in a fancy neighborhood and eveyone drives bmw's doens't mean they aren't up to no good.

what was intially said was:

If I'm speaking honestly, it depends on the neighborhood. I think it has nothing to do with race.

If I'm in a neighborhood with decent household income and I see dudes coming and going from a house all the time, I'm likely to think it's a guy and his buddies who love to play poker. White, black, or whatever.

But if I'm in a neighborhood whose median household income is $20K - 30K, and there are lots of men coming and going from the house all the time, yes I am likely to be suspicious (and guess what, I'm likely to be right).

and personally i think that statement is very iggnorant, regardless of race or nationality, he is saying people with money get together play poker, drink brandy, and smoke cigars, while poeple with no money are involed in illegal activities. imo i think that is a old fashioned way of thinking, but it's just that, my opinion.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

now we are talking about who is selling and buying, all i'm saying is just because you live in a fancy neighborhood and eveyone drives bmw's doens't mean they aren't up to no good.

what was intially said was:


and personally i think that statement is very iggnorant, regardless of race or nationality, he is saying people with money get together play poker, drink brandy, and smoke cigars, while poeple with no money are involed in illegal activities. imo i think that is a old fashioned way of thinking, but it's just that, my opinion.

First, you're putting words in my mouth, namely the bolded parts. I never said those things.

What I said was the likelihood of a constant parade of people in and out of a house is more likely to be suspicious in a lower income neighborhood than in a higher income neighborhood. There are facts and figures to back that up, it's not some broad-brushed generalization.

Never did I say that low income people are always up to something illegal.

Your reading comprehension and critical reasoning skills need work.

Income is an indicator of a lot of things for a lot of reasons:

- There's less incentive to commit crime when you can legally support yourself comfortably.

- There's more to lose by risking getting caught by the police.

- Higher-income neighborhoods have more tax funds available to fund local police. Look no further than Camden NJ where they recently laid off 24% of the police force.

- Now combine the above. In higher income communities you have high ratios of police force to residents, and lower incidence of crime because mostly the citizens just want to go to work and live their comfortable lives. The result is a police force with not much to do but investigate the most mundane calls.

- And do the same in lower income neighborhoods. You have a police force that's spread too thin, and a high incidence of crime because more residents turn to crime to make ends meet. The result there is a police force that can't always respond to 911 calls in a timely manner.

I'm not profiling Chris Johnson. It has nothing to do with race. This is just the way our society's socioeconomic machine operates.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.

Honestly, drugs effect all walks of life. Rich or poor it doesn't matter. There are rich people out there who are living beyond their means as well as poor people. and race does not matter either. Part of the problem is the economy and availability of jobs. The economy has tanked and people are/were losing their jobs. Either they are using drugs to blank out the issue or they are selling in order to support their families.

But, we don't have to assumed that the nosey neighbor thought drugs were being sold. What if the neighbor thought the owner was in some kind of trouble? especially if there have been home invasions in the area recently. or thought someone had broken into the neighbors house? especially if they had not seen the owner.

I just don't like seeing people automatically jumping to the conclusion that all police officers are bad or that everyone profiles when in reality the police were called to the house because of a neighbor, and we don't know what the neighbor had seen to make them want to call the police.

I have a lot of police friends and can tell you that depending on what the "suspicous activity" was yes the cops will sit back and try to observe what is going on before making contact. But as I just stated we don't know what the neighbor used as "suspicous activity" and if the police sit back and don't go to the residence then "if" a crime is being committed then they might lose out on having a suspect.

Everyone is hung up on the suspicous activity wording, in order to keep a record on every call the police department has to file whatever the behavior is into some sort of catagory. A lot of behavior can fall under suspicous activity; an unknown vehicle seen several times in your area, a high volume of traffic coming and going from a residence, screaming from a neighbors residence, a man half naked walking down the street. Purchase a scanner and listen to all the BS calls that police have to respond to; one that ticks me off is "a man walking down the road in camoflage carrying a gun", during hunting season. Hello? but because the police got the call they have to look into it. God forbid they don't look into it and a crime occurred, how would that sound in the paper the next day? Police were called out and failed to show up or investigate.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Honestly, drugs effect all walks of life. Rich or poor it doesn't matter. There are rich people out there who are living beyond their means as well as poor people. and race does not matter either. Part of the problem is the economy and availability of jobs. The economy has tanked and people are/were losing their jobs. Either they are using drugs to blank out the issue or they are selling in order to support their families.

But, we don't have to assumed that the nosey neighbor thought drugs were being sold. What if the neighbor thought the owner was in some kind of trouble? especially if there have been home invasions in the area recently. or thought someone had broken into the neighbors house? especially if they had not seen the owner.

I just don't like seeing people automatically jumping to the conclusion that all police officers are bad or that everyone profiles when in reality the police were called to the house because of a neighbor, and we don't know what the neighbor had seen to make them want to call the police.

I have a lot of police friends and can tell you that depending on what the "suspicous activity" was yes the cops will sit back and try to observe what is going on before making contact. But as I just stated we don't know what the neighbor used as "suspicous activity" and if the police sit back and don't go to the residence then "if" a crime is being committed then they might lose out on having a suspect.

Everyone is hung up on the suspicous activity wording, in order to keep a record on every call the police department has to file whatever the behavior is into some sort of catagory. A lot of behavior can fall under suspicous activity; an unknown vehicle seen several times in your area, a high volume of traffic coming and going from a residence, screaming from a neighbors residence, a man half naked walking down the street. Purchase a scanner and listen to all the BS calls that police have to respond to; one that ticks me off is "a man walking down the road in camoflage carrying a gun", during hunting season. Hello? but because the police got the call they have to look into it. God forbid they don't look into it and a crime occurred, how would that sound in the paper the next day? Police were called out and failed to show up or investigate.

The reasons you give are legitimate reasons for police to knock on my door. That I have black friends that come over a lot and that they drive Escaldes is not a legitimate reason. Do you see the difference?
If Peyton Manning's wife had her girlfriends over and they all drove Esclaldes, would the neighbors be scared,locking their doors and calling the cops? Quick get the kids inside! No.
But you fill those Esclaldes with young men of color and suddenly the Dudley do rights neighbors have their chair at the window and become spies.

When Police and neighbors start treating one sector of society differently the other because of stereotypes, skin color or socio-econmic grouping then we all lose.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The reasons you give are legitimate reasons for police to knock on my door. That I have black friends that come over a lot and that they drive Escaldes is not a legitimate reason. Do you see the difference?
If Peyton Manning's wife had her girlfriends over and they all drove Esclaldes, would the neighbors be scared,locking their doors and calling the cops? Quick get the kids inside! No.
But you fill those Esclaldes with young men of color and suddenly the Dudley do rights neighbors have their chair at the window and become spies.

When Police and neighbors start treating one sector of society differently the other because of stereotypes, skin color or socio-econmic grouping then we all lose.

If they walked into the house holding up their pants I'd call the cops. When was the last time you read about middle aged white women running drugs. It happens but not very often if it did MTV would have videos of them riding around calling guys their ho and flashing money.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.

Exactly. Didn't realize you made my point before responding.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.

No, old money use prescriptions and become wineo's. New money uses street drugs

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.

Not do drugs. Sell drugs.

Dealers generally would not be well off if not for the drug money.