The Mike Shanaplan

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

For all the Luck desirers out there remember this.....at this time last year all the analysts said that Locker would have been the #1 overall pick had he come out and had him as a lock for #1 in the 2011 draft.

Yeah, but Luck doesn't have to improve his accuracy. Locker was a raw talent number 1 projection. Luck is a number 1 overall talent with production to match. Unless he gets a Bowers like injury he will not drop, even Bradford stayed at number 1 overall with a destroyed shoulder. Scouts looked at Locker in 2009 the same way they looked at Vick 2001. "Well his numbers are average but my God the talent."

Trust me it's one thing to not want to tank a season to get a number 1 pick but to suggest Luck will drop or experience anything similar to that of Locker, well safe to say I feel like you're playing with fire.

Andrew Luck is quite possibly the best QB prospect in the history of the NFL. No one has ever been able to match up physical attributes, production, and intangibles like this kid. In the end the best we can hope for is that he gets drafted by an AFC team.

With that said, even if we do go into the season with a tank strategy I still believe that the Number 1 pick will be out of reach. The Redskins might suck a lot but year after year theres always no less then 3 teams that end up sucking more.

I challenge anyone to find a QB that was better then this coming into the NFL. Certainly the NFL has had its share of storied QB's but I still maintain that no one was this good going in.

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here's some good film on Luck:
http://www.the-mainboard.com/forum/i...c,91570.0.html

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Andrew Luck is quite possibly the best QB prospect in the history of the NFL. No one has ever been able to match up physical attributes, production, and intangibles like this kid. In the end the best we can hope for is that he gets drafted by an AFC team.

Do you really believe this?
You realize that production isn't that important a tool for evaluation?

You're a bit effusive but I think I know what people like about watching Luck (which I agree with): he looks like he's in command.

But, most good QBs look in command when they're the better team.(If you look at some of Mallet and Stanzi and even Tolzein's (sp?) games they had similar schematic advantages and also show similar command.

Its not easy from a personnel stand point to run a rhythm based passing offense without a good pass protecting OL a good running game and good WRs.

Its the combination of coaching + scheme + talent.

I challenge anyone to find a QB that was better then this coming into the NFL. Certainly the NFL has had its share of storied QB's but I still maintain that no one was this good going in.

I'm not even going to touch that because you're already entrenched in your position.

So, I'll share my opinion of Luck instead.

Luck is a top tier prospect: a very efficient, productive QB with above average athleticism and some playmaking ability, good but not elite arm strength, above average accuracy, average release/throwing motion.

While he lacks the elite arm strength, athleticism and quick release of some of last years QBs he more then closes the gap in polish and pro-readiness.

Luck has the benefit of playing behind one of the best OL in the country and consequenly he's rarely sacked and what's more he's rarely ever hit sometimes he's not even touched.

Also, going beyond the OL he had a power running game.

Luck also has the schemetaic advantage because of elite NFL level coaching on offense and specifically at the QB position which makes him a very pro-ready plug and play QB. *(Harbaugh's previous pupil, Josh Johnson, also put up huge numbers (better then Luck))

So for me there is a question mark about how he responds to pressure and getting hit because the NFL isn't pitch and catch and in the beginning of the Tech game when Beamer's boys were getting after him ealry in the bowl game he was flustered.

Questions:how will he respond to pressure/duress, not really a question per se but his throwing motion is a little quircky though throws the ball just fine

For me I guess the main questions I have about Luck stem from separating him from his production; meaning how much of the production is because of him and how much is because of the team.