Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

[skinsguy]

There's no sense in worrying about next year's draft when none of us know what deals might be struck between now and then.

We added a new center and we're getting Jansen back. The two hopefully will improve our offensive line quite a bit.

What proof do you have that we have no core players?

[sportscurmudgeon]

skinsguy:

When Rypien was drafted to prepare to take over from Williams, Doug had been in the league for a while. He wasn't someone emerging as a QB; I think he'd been our of college for about 10 years. So, if Ramsey is really "the guy" and really has a great future in the league, then he ought to be around for the next 10 years or so. Now I believe in adding depth as much as anyone here, but if you REALLY think you have your QB for the next decade already on your roster, you don't spend a first round pick on a QB.

You forgot to mention how drafting Humphires turned out here. Gibbs and company ran him out of town and his success came in San Diego. And after Humphries they drafted Cary Conklin and he too got run out of town because he would not/could not fit into the program. So even if I give you Rypien as a smart draft choice - as opposed to a none-year wonder - how about those other two guys? How do they support you in your optimism?

Compare the Skins draft to the to the Colts, Eagles, Pats, Steelers, Falcons, Jets, Texans for a moment. They each have QBs on their squads who project to be "the man" for the next 5 years at least - barring a major injury. Now, what did those teams do with draft picks for the QB position over the weekend? I can't rattle off their picks in the first couple of rounds without cheating and going to ESPN.com to look, but I don't remember any QBs going there early on in the draft. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Of course, you are free to imagine that everyone the Skins brought in here in the off-season will immediately commence to play like Hall of Famers. Not likely, but you can imagine it if you want and then Gibbs' comments about having a good draft is easily understandable. The Redskins' WRs were mediocre last year and have not improved in the off season.

You can charaterize Thrash as a hard working and dedicated player and you'd be absolutely right. He just isn't in the top 50 recievers in the NFL no matter how hard he works.

You can hope that Taylor Jacobs is a flower just about to emerge from its bud. It could happen. But since he has been in the NFL, he hasnt accomplished "jack-sh*t".

Go back one year in time and tell me honestly that if anyone had suggested an even-up trade of LC for S. Moss you would have thought that was a great idea. You would have been the only person on the planet to have thought that way.

The biggest problem with this draft is that way too many picks were traded away - for Portis last year and to move up to draft Campbell. The team is not one or two players away from a Super Bowl' They need bodies. They traded away picks to take one player (Campbell) who will sit for most of the year next year and maybe most of the year after that. If Campbell has to start and/or play the majority of 10 games this season, here is a phrase you might well be hearing come December:


The Washington Redskins are on the clock...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Of course, you are free to imagine that everyone the Skins brought in here in the off-season will immediately commence to play like Hall of Famers.

What I wouldn't give to have Curmudgeon stop using this same damn line every time, acting like we Redskins fans are a bunch of "meatheads" who think there's nothing between bust and Canton bust. Annoys the #$)(@& out of me...who's with me?

[sportscurmudgeon]

TAFKAS:

I promise not to use that argument again as long as someone does not try to argue that James Thrash is part of a wide receiving corps that will strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator in the NFL.

Deal?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

TAFKAS:

I promise not to use that argument again as long as someone does not try to argue that James Thrash is part of a wide receiving corps that will strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator in the NFL.

Deal?

Fine by me

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

TAFKAS:

I promise not to use that argument again as long as someone does not try to argue that James Thrash is part of a wide receiving corps that will strike fear in the hearts of every defensive coordinator in the NFL.

Deal?

......yet nobody has said such, interesting.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

......yet nobody has said such, interesting.

True, but if that's what it takes to get SC to stop then so be it

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What I wouldn't give to have Curmudgeon stop using this same damn line every time, acting like we Redskins fans are a bunch of "meatheads" who think there's nothing between bust and Canton bust. Annoys the #$)(@& out of me...who's with me?

Definitely me. For one thing, not one time in any of my posts did I say Thrash, Jacobs, Ramsey or any current Redskins player is bound for Canton...maybe it's arguing for argument sake, but that just isn't a true statement.

Secondly, we have had many Redskins players in Gibbs' first tenure that were not hall of fame material, but contributed a great deal to the team's success. That is what I hope happens with the players in the current draft - but no S.C., again you will not find anything in my post saying that I expect them to be bound of Canton.

I only hope they contribute and add depth to the team and yes, I hope they turn out to be difference makers....but I'm not stupid.

In regards to the QBs of the past, Humphries didn't just all of a sudden become a good quarterback. Don't even assume Gibbs and his coaching staff had nothing to do with his development over the years. Humphries wanted to be a starting QB, and Gibbs was willing to stick with Rypien and why not? Rypien won the SB the year before Stan went to S.D., why put Stan in as starter when you have a Super Bowl MVP QB?

I believe my quite right in my assumptions as far as pattern. Jay Schrader was Joe Thiesmann's under study, Rypien was Williams understudy (and really probably was meant to be Schrader's understudy), Humphries for Rypien. And....another pattern, the veteran QBs: Williams, Rutledge, etc... It's quite similar to what will probably be our present day situation....Ramsey, Brunell, and Campbell.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What proof do you have that we have no core players?

the good players the skins draft arent resigned.
the current drafted redskins are unhappy with the organization(ramsey, arrington , taylor and even jansen said he was angry when he heard the skins wanted to draft a qb because he is good friends with ramsey)


you cant pick and choose who are your core players.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jamf

the good players the skins draft arent resigned.
the current drafted redskins are unhappy with the organization(ramsey, arrington , taylor and even jansen said he was angry when he heard the skins wanted to draft a qb because he is good friends with ramsey)


you cant pick and choose who are your core players.

Like who exactly are you talking about that has not resigned currently? I haven't seen anything where Ramsey or Jansen want to leave the team. Saying you're angry over something is one thing, but that does not prove they are unhappy overall with the organization.