Updated Title: 8th Circuit Court Grants Stay, Lockout Reinstated

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For the people that say the owners should just open up their books and show everyone I say this. Next time someone does any work for you open up your checking, savings, etc.. accounts and let them then decide what they want to get paid. After all thats what the players are doing. I own a business and its none of my employees business what i make.

I think the third party offer was fair. For starters most of the players can't read complicated financial statements and more then likely the people that they would bring in to translate would be told to look for leverage.

However as a general principle I still think the owners have the best deal in sports. Sure the players are assigned 53% of total revenue and that might hit the owners right in the ego but consider that the NHL gave players 54% the year after the lockout and 57% this past year. Also I'm pretty sure that in the NBA players are getting as much as 60% but that needs to change for other reasons.

This lockout should have never happened in the first place and the fact that it's allowed to continue is absurd. Seriously all you needed to figure out was a rookie pay scale and how to take care of retired players and the money saved on rookies could have been used to help pay for veterans. THAT'S IT.

For God's sake the NFL has proven that they can make money in a recession. What more do they need?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I think the third party offer was fair. For starters most of the players can't read complicated financial statements and more then likely the people that they would bring in to translate would be told to look for leverage.

However as a general principle I still think the owners have the best deal in sports. Sure the players are assigned 53% of total revenue and that might hit the owners right in the ego but consider that the NHL gave players 54% the year after the lockout and 57% this past year. Also I'm pretty sure that in the NBA players are getting as much as 60% but that needs to change for other reasons.

This lockout should have never happened in the first place and the fact that it's allowed to continue is absurd. Seriously all you needed to figure out was a rookie pay scale and how to take care of retired players and the money saved on rookies could have been used to help pay for veterans. THAT'S IT.

For God's sake the NFL has proven that they can make money in a recession. What more do they need?

Excellent point, NFL owners have it much better than owners of other sports. And they don't have to pay out guaranteed contracts in the NFL, unlike MLB or the NBA.

I don't get this hard on everyone has for the owners side. All sides are at fault one way or another, but the lockout should be lifted while they continue to negotiate. Right now, it is the owners that are preventing that lock out from being lifted at the expense of their own team's performance next season.

Personally, I feel that both parties should've settled this before the season ended. During last season, there should've been hard negotiations going on. Instead both sides went on with business as usual.

Honestly, unless you're a millionaire or a billionaire, I don't understand how people can be so dead set on supporting a side on this argument. Both sides are at fault, and they need to get this sh*t fixed. Right now if the lockout continues, we're not going to have football next season.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Honestly, unless you're a millionaire or a billionaire, I don't understand how people can be so dead set on supporting a side on this argument. Both sides are at fault, and they need to get this sh*t fixed. Right now if the lockout continues, we're not going to have football next season.

I lean this way.
I also find it amusing how some are defending the players like they are teachers in Wisconsin.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Excellent point, NFL owners have it much better than owners of other sports. And they don't have to pay out guaranteed contracts in the NFL, unlike MLB or the NBA.

Maybe there's a reason for this, for instance not giving away more than they should to players.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

NC_Skins: Did the owners have the right to opt out 2 years ago?

Obviously they had that "right" to opt out. Were they "right" in doing so? No. If you want to claim you are losing profits, be prepared to show the numbers.

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Speaking purely as the owner/operator of a business myself (no where near NFL team revenue), I would never open my books to employees let alone in a matter that would make them public record. Not that there is anything shady going on, but allowing my local competition to see where I allocate my marketing resources, for instance, could hinder one of my competitive advantages by allowing them to counter my strategy and attempt to infiltrate that market. Allowing people to see how I structure my networking/joit work ventures with other firms could allow them to try to one-up my strategy with prospective new partnerships. Although I do not really which side presumably "wins" when this labor issue is resolved, I do feel it would not be prudent for the teams to open their books to their employees or the general public.

/facepalm

Why people keep relating their job/business to that of the NFL is beyond me. It's not even remotely comparable in the least. You know why you can tell your employees that? Because you can replace them on a whim. Now, let your business and your wealth depended on people that you could not replace, then chances are you wouldn't be dictating much of anything. Not unless you were absolutely stupid and wanted to lose your income. Don't think of the NFL players as employees, think of them as the actual product because that's exactly what they are. Who holds more power? The record label or the famous recording artist? The recording artist can find another label that will be willing to take less and sponsor them, the recording label would be out of luck.

Same thing here bro. There are other billionaires out that that would put together a plan to form another league and take less just so they could profit.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why people keep relating their job/business to that of the NFL is beyond me. It's not even remotely comparable in the least. You know why you can tell your employees that? Because you can replace them on a whim. Now, let your business and your wealth depended on people that you could not replace, then chances are you wouldn't be dictating much of anything. Not unless you were absolutely stupid and wanted to lose your income. Don't think of the NFL players as employees, think of them as the actual product because that's exactly what they are. Who holds more power? The record label or the famous recording artist? The recording artist can find another label that will be willing to take less and sponsor them, the recording label would be out of luck.

Same thing here bro. There are other billionaires out that that would put together a plan to form another league and take less just so they could profit.

You are obviously entrenched in your "rage against the machine", tea-party type position against the NFL....or just business in general. As I am no where near as idealistically/emotionally invested in this arguement I am going go complete table this discussion and allow you to get back to making the protest signs for your next rally.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

You are obviously entrenched in your "rage against the machine", tea-party type position against the NFL....or just business in general. As I am no where near as idealistically/emotionally invested in this arguement I am going go complete table this discussion and allow you to get back to making the protest signs for your next rally.

It's not even like that and how you can't understand that is beyond me. It seems like the following mentality is being used as a basis on this arguement, "OH, YOU DON"T SUPPORT BUSINESSES THEN YOU MUST BE SOCIALIST COMMUNIST!!", hence your ill advised tea party comment.

I think I've been very fair in this ordeal and I've stated my beefs with the people posting in favor of the owners. You continue to use your jobs/employees/business as a example to what's going on. It's mind boggling why people can't grasp that simple concept. It's not your business, they aren't replaceable employees, they are the product just like any movie star or music artist out there.

Had the players walked out on the CBA agreement they made back in 2006, I'd be siding with the owners on this. As it stands, I'm not.

Also, I"m not "emotionally" invested in any of this. I could care less if the NFL folded as it's not what drives me in life nor is it something I couldn't live without. Would I be bummed if it did? Sure. We are having a debate in regards to the politics/finances of this situation and I'm speaking my mind regardless if we agree or not. It's just a bit annoying when apples are being compared to oranges though.

[Son Of Man]

Peace.