Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[NC_Skins]

Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why are people really hating on Beck? The guy was a highly rated talent that hasn't had a decent opportunity to play. This isn't like he's played 3 years and absolutely sucked, much like VY has. (or at least Jeff Fischer thinks so)

He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.

Two words. Kyle Orton.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

He's unproven and his name is not Manning, Brady or Brees. However, I am in favor of a competition, the position shouldn't be handed to him.

I agree with you. The position should be won out by Beck if he's going to start. Also, Manning, Brady and Brees where unproven until they got their chance as well.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree with you. The position should be won out by Beck if he's going to start. Also, Manning, Brady and Brees where unproven until they got their chance as well.

Belichick even claims that they were tempted to go with Brady coming out of camp the year Bledsoe lost his job, but the only thing that held them back was Tom's inexperience. Take it for what it's worth.

Actually I will say this at Beck. I've been looking at 1st and 2nd round bust the past week and almost all of them it was easy to explain why they failed. Here's what I came up. Remember hindsight is 20/20.

David Carr - Inexperience. Started only two years in a mid major.

Joey Harrington - Sub 60% passer in a west coast offense. That should have been a huge red flag.

Marques Tuiasosopo - Numbers made fellow Washington Alum Jake Locker look all world. Shouldn't have even been drafted before the 7th round.

Quincy Carter - Numbers make Tuiasosopo look All-World. Completed under 50% of his passes his senior year with a 6:10 TD:Int Ratio

Patrick Ramsey - 2 year starter sub 60% passer.

Byron Leftwish - Had virtually everything. Arm strength, intangibles, production, experience. Even started his career well leading Jacksonville to 9-7 and 12-4 records. However injuries started to pile up, and combined with his slow release and non-existent mobility he lost his job.

Kyle Boller - Lol

Rex Grossman - Well he made it to the Super Bowl but his TD:Int ratio was a little high his final year at Florida. 22:17

JP Losman - Another inexperienced big arm passer with no accuracy.

Alex Smith - Spread QB that didn't start enough games. On one hand probably should have stayed in school on the other hand he's now financially secure.

Jason Campbell - Sorry don't recognize that name.

Matt Leinart - Should have made it. Played enough games, was productive, experienced in a pro style offense. However McShay has said the two biggest reasons for bust are injury and character problems. Leinart fell victim to the latter. Now a days his confidence his shot to hell. Captain Checkdown is an understatement. He's more like Admiral Checkdown or General Checkdown. Maybe President Checkdown.

Okay this is dragging on. I guess Beck might have just been in a bad situation at Miami. On paper he should succeed. He's intelligent, hard working, strong armed (second strongest arm at 2007 combine via radar gun), didn't start his college career as the most accurate passer (56% first year as a starter) but then experienced a quantum leap in years 3 and 4 (64.5 and 69.3). He also worked under Center and started for 3 years. He showed anticipation on throws. He could move enough to buy time.

Basically the only two knocks were he wasn't the worlds tallest QB (6'2) and he didn't play in the SEC. Oh and he was old when he came out.

He basically had everything you look for in a college QB so the only reason I can guess as to why he flamed out in Miami is because he was on one of the worst teams in NFL history. I mean sure he didn't win a game as a rookie but the other Miami QB's combined for 1 win, and Trent Green started 5 games for them that year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Belichick even claims that they were tempted to go with Brady coming out of camp the year Bledsoe lost his job, but the only thing that held them back was Tom's inexperience. Take it for what it's worth.

Actually I will say this at Beck. I've been looking at 1st and 2nd round bust the past week and almost all of them it was easy to explain why they failed. Here's what I came up. Remember hindsight is 20/20.

David Carr - Inexperience. Started only two years in a mid major.

Joey Harrington - Sub 60% passer in a west coast offense. That should have been a huge red flag.

Marques Tuiasosopo - Numbers made fellow Washington Alum Jake Locker look all world. Shouldn't have even been drafted before the 7th round.

Quincy Carter - Numbers make Tuiasosopo look All-World. Completed under 50% of his passes his senior year with a 6:10 TD:Int Ratio

Patrick Ramsey - 2 year starter sub 60% passer.

Byron Leftwish - Had virtually everything. Arm strength, intangibles, production, experience. Even started his career well leading Jacksonville to 9-7 and 12-4 records. However injuries started to pile up, and combined with his slow release and non-existent mobility he lost his job.

Kyle Boller - Lol

Rex Grossman - Well he made it to the Super Bowl but his TD:Int ratio was a little high his final year at Florida. 22:17

JP Losman - Another inexperienced big arm passer with no accuracy.

Alex Smith - Spread QB that didn't start enough games. On one hand probably should have stayed in school on the other hand he's now financially secure.

Jason Campbell - Sorry don't recognize that name.

Matt Leinart - Should have made it. Played enough games, was productive, experienced in a pro style offense. However McShay has said the two biggest reasons for bust are injury and character problems. Leinart fell victim to the latter. Now a days his confidence his shot to hell. Captain Checkdown is an understatement. He's more like Admiral Checkdown or General Checkdown. Maybe President Checkdown.

Okay this is dragging on. I guess Beck might have just been in a bad situation at Miami. On paper he should succeed. He's intelligent, hard working, strong armed (second strongest arm at 2007 combine via radar gun), didn't start his college career as the most accurate passer (56% first year as a starter) but then experienced a quantum leap in years 3 and 4 (64.5 and 69.3). He also worked under Center and started for 3 years. He showed anticipation on throws. He could move enough to buy time.

Basically the only two knocks were he wasn't the worlds tallest QB (6'2) and he didn't play in the SEC. Oh and he was old when he came out.

He basically had everything you look for in a college QB so the only reason I can guess as to why he flamed out in Miami is because he was on one of the worst teams in NFL history. I mean sure he didn't win a game as a rookie but the other Miami QB's combined for 1 win, and Trent Green started 5 games for them that year.

Beck was a 25 year old senior playing against 18-21 year olds in the MWC. His attributes were more developed and defined than anyone he was playing against at that level. That's an advantage he will never have at the NFL level.

Beck has the raw physical tools to succeed in the NFL, but he's been on an NFL roster longer than (to put a name out there) Tony Romo was before he was put in the starting lineup. I wouldn't put too much stock in the 2007 season in Miami: Beck was worse than Cleo Lemon, but again, it was three years ago. But also: it was three years ago. And Beck, with all his advantages (second round pick, live arm, college productivity) wasn't able to make positive progress on an NFL depth chart in a very long period of time.

So it's not like we know nothing about John Beck. We'll learn more if we play him, but you kind of already know what to expect.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Beck was a 25 year old senior playing against 18-21 year olds in the MWC. His attributes were more developed and defined than anyone he was playing against at that level. That's an advantage he will never have at the NFL level.

Beck has the raw physical tools to succeed in the NFL, but he's been on an NFL roster longer than (to put a name out there) Tony Romo was before he was put in the starting lineup. I wouldn't put too much stock in the 2007 season in Miami: Beck was worse than Cleo Lemon, but again, it was three years ago. But also: it was three years ago. And Beck, with all his advantages (second round pick, live arm, college productivity) wasn't able to make positive progress on an NFL depth chart in a very long period of time.

So it's not like we know nothing about John Beck. We'll learn more if we play him, but you kind of already know what to expect.

Preach.

And people like to talk about how Beck got screwed over because the Dolphins brought in Pennington. But forget that even before that Beck had been demoted because Miami felt journeyman QB Josh McNown was worth signing in free agency in naming the starter. So he was already on the bench when Pennington arrived.

I hope he proves me wrong and turns out to be a total stud if he's our starter, but I really just don't see it. I'd rather just sign a guy like Matt Moore who at least is 3 years younger than Beck

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Preach.

And people like to talk about how Beck got screwed over because the Dolphins brought in Pennington. But forget that even before that Beck had been demoted because Miami felt journeyman QB Josh McNown was worth signing in free agency in naming the starter. So he was already on the bench when Pennington arrived.

I hope he proves me wrong and turns out to be a total stud if he's our starter, but I really just don't see it. I'd rather just sign a guy like Matt Moore who at least is 3 years younger than Beck

I see, so age discrimination is a regular practice at ESPN? Smootsamck I am Disapoint.

Still I think the Miami brass looses all credibility when they bring in Josh McNown. Seriously I hate that guy, I don't know why but it's like he gets 7 billion chances and still does nothing.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I see, so age discrimination is a regular practice at ESPN? Smootsamck I am Disapoint.

Still I think the Miami brass looses all credibility when they bring in Josh McNown. Seriously I hate that guy, I don't know why but it's like he gets 7 billion chances and still does nothing.

Should I redirect you to the Drunk Thread?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Should I redirect you to the Drunk Thread?

nO, PLeaSE REdIRECT Me TO the "Help" thread. Siierously a thread whose tiTle is HElp woUld B AWESOEM

[Longtimefan]

It's my belief the Redskins are content in utilizing patience in their search for a long term solution at the QB position. There's no urgent need to parade in any of the journeymen QB's now available when none of them [at least for this season] would provide any more relief at the position than what they already have.

For those who suggest neither Beck or Grossman are the long term solution, many will agree. However, for this year with all the various complications and set-backs the lockout has produced, having two QB's on the roster [though Grossman is unsigned] with knowledge of the system is IMO the better way to proceed. I cannot envision any QB that's available coming into this situation with limited knowledge having any substantial impact.

I trust Allen/Shanahan will continue to exhibit both patience and dilegence in their search for the next QB to lead this team.....no need to rush, haste makes waste as has been demonstrated more often than not.

[724Skinsfan]

Seems to me we have a good poker game going on here. If I were a HC and needed to upgrade the QB position through trade or FA would I yell out "Someone, anyone, please help!"? No, I would say" Oh a quarterback? Nah, we're set with what we have. QB A is a smart, physical talent that I knew one day would get the opportunity to start. He's going to get the chance to prove he can start." Why tell your trading partners/sports agents that their product is more in demand? That just drives up the asking price. I think Shannahan is basically bluffing saying that he's "not interested but make us an offer anyway."

But that's just me making things more difficult than what they really are.

[mlmpetert]

Love this pic:

[Monkeydad]

Notice who has the ball. Is that a sign of what's coming this year?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It's my belief the Redskins are content in utilizing patience in their search for a long term solution at the QB position. There's no urgent need to parade in any of the journeymen QB's now available when none of them [at least for this season] would provide any more relief at the position than what they already have.

For those who suggest neither Beck or Grossman are the long term solution, many will agree. However, for this year with all the various complications and set-backs the lockout has produced, having two QB's on the roster [though Grossman is unsigned] with knowledge of the system is IMO the better way to proceed. I cannot envision any QB that's available coming into this situation with limited knowledge having any substantial impact.

I trust Allen/Shanahan will continue to exhibit both patience and dilegence in their search for the next QB to lead this team.....no need to rush, haste makes waste as has been demonstrated more often than not.

Just stop it, logic and common sense have no place in a QB thread!!!!

Great post BTW.