Moss WANTS to be a Redskin

[Longtimefan]

Moss can still be productive, his status however means at what cost. There will be a plan for the influx of youth now at the position. The lack of an agreement leave so much unknown about what we really have....I would welcome Moss back.

[MTK]

Cherry picking again I see.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Cherry picking again I see.

Well, I admitted that Portis only seemed to stop caring or quit these past two years. Up until that point he ran hard. Moss on the other hand has been a liability from the get go. Dropped passes in crucial moments, fumbles, and out right quitting on plays. One of the biggest games of his career and he quits? Really? I recognize he's made plays for us and basically has been the only receiver we've had since....well since forever. It still doesn't change how I see this guy.

[MTK]

A few plays doesn't sum up his body of work here.

Fact is he's been one of our more productive players for quite a while.

His career numbers as a Skin: 442 catches, 6142 yards, 34 TDs

Bottom line, is anyone else currently on the roster ready to step up and fill his shoes? Doubt it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bottom line, is anyone else currently on the roster ready to step up and fill his shoes? Doubt it.

Which is why I said this.

That said, I'd sign him to a 1-2 year contract and move him to the slot until he can be replaced.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bottom line, is anyone else currently on the roster ready to step up and fill his shoes? Doubt it.

I can think of at least four guys who deserve the opportunity. And if they fail, they fail. But I think it's a better process than holding on dearly to whatever Moss can continue to give us in the next two years.

I agree with you that he'll be a hot commodity on the FA market. I can see both Portis and Moss in New England next year. They are very much the Belichick kind of player.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can think of at least four guys who deserve the opportunity. And if they fail, they fail. But I think it's a better process than holding on dearly to whatever Moss can continue to give us in the next two years.

I agree with you that he'll be a hot commodity on the FA market. I can see both Portis and Moss in New England next year. They are very much the Belichick kind of player.

Not sure about CP but Moss would thrive there.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can think of at least four guys who deserve the opportunity. And if they fail, they fail. But I think it's a better process than holding on dearly to whatever Moss can continue to give us in the next two years.

I agree with you that he'll be a hot commodity on the FA market. I can see both Portis and Moss in New England next year. They are very much the Belichick kind of player.

Even if we're rebuilding (which I doubt) it makes sense for an offense to have a foundation.

Our best offensive unit was our passing game.
Moss was the focal point of a passing attack that only had 1 other viable WR threat yet was still able to produce like a top WR.
If you take Moss out of the equation you're asking an unproven group of WRs to become the focal point of the best unit (arguably the only good unit) on this team.

And even if Moss is re-signed all those wasted targets that went to Joey Galloway and Roydel Williams would be enough to for at least 1 other WR threat to emerge.

And 1 other target would help an already good passing attack be even better.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Even if we're rebuilding (which I doubt) it makes sense for an offense to have a foundation.

Our best offensive unit was our passing game.
Moss was the focal point of a passing attack that only had 1 other viable WR threat yet was still able to produce like a top WR.
If you take Moss out of the equation you're asking an unproven group of WRs to become the focal point of the best unit (arguably the only good unit) on this team.

And even if Moss is re-signed all those wasted targets that went to Joey Galloway and Roydel Williams would be enough to for at least 1 other WR threat to emerge.

And 1 other target would help an already good passing attack be even better.

Ultimately, I don't believe Santana is going to be part of the foundation of the offense. You could be right. We might let him walk, and he signs elsewhere, and then we watch Armstrong struggle with additional coverage on him, and Kelly can't get on the field, and Terrence Austin gets easily taken away by single coverage. Then there is no foundation on which to build the receiving corps until Hankerson develops.

But at the very least, in the absolute worst case scenario, Hankerson would get the opportunities to produce as a no. 1 type as a rookie, and he can't do that if Moss is here. I would prefer to just do what Tampa Bay did, and not extend Antonio Bryant into his mid thirties, but rather take the steal of the draft at the receiver position, put him on the field, and end up with a "Top 100" player four months later.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ultimately, I don't believe Santana is going to be part of the foundation of the offense. You could be right. We might let him walk, and he signs elsewhere, and then we watch Armstrong struggle with additional coverage on him, and Kelly can't get on the field, and Terrence Austin gets easily taken away by single coverage. Then there is no foundation on which to build the receiving corps until Hankerson develops.

But at the very least, in the absolute worst case scenario, Hankerson would get the opportunities to produce as a no. 1 type as a rookie, and he can't do that if Moss is here. I would prefer to just do what Tampa Bay did, and not extend Antonio Bryant into his mid thirties, but rather take the steal of the draft at the receiver position, put him on the field, and end up with a "Top 100" player four months later.

Why'd you choose Antonio Bryant for comparison?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ultimately, I don't believe Santana is going to be part of the foundation of the offense. You could be right. We might let him walk, and he signs elsewhere, and then we watch Armstrong struggle with additional coverage on him, and Kelly can't get on the field, and Terrence Austin gets easily taken away by single coverage. Then there is no foundation on which to build the receiving corps until Hankerson develops.

But at the very least, in the absolute worst case scenario, Hankerson would get the opportunities to produce as a no. 1 type as a rookie, and he can't do that if Moss is here. I would prefer to just do what Tampa Bay did, and not extend Antonio Bryant into his mid thirties, but rather take the steal of the draft at the receiver position, put him on the field, and end up with a "Top 100" player four months later.

Just because Santana could resign does not mean he would stay as the "number 1 receiver". He could easily move to the slot, a position that he would be very good at, while leaving the outside routes to Hankerson, AA and the like. Shanny is about putting the best players on the field no matter what the age or tenure on the team. This isn't old Redskins football anymore IMO. If Hankerson and AA play better than Santana, if he resigns, then they will play more than Santana. I would like to see Santana in the slot regardless.

[Jontrem]

Yeah he would be a good re-sign as long as the contract makes sense.

[MonkFan4Life]

NC I swear you could find the negatives in a girl on girl video betwee Jessica Alba and Sofia Vegara. I agree with you on the 1-2 year deal but I'd give him at least 3.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

NC I swear you could find the negatives in a girl on girl video betwee Jessica Alba and Sofia Vegara. I agree with you on the 1-2 year deal but I'd give him at least 3.

Quitting is a huge pet peeve of mine. I couldn't stand Jason Campbell, but the guy played hard. He didn't quit and did the best he could. It's why I can't stand guys like Randy Moss or Albert Haynesworth. Great talents that don't give it their all and quit when things don't go their way. For Santana to quit in the biggest game of his career was pathetic and it killed it for me. I can forgive a fumble, a drop pass, but quitting is where I draw the line. (especially when it costs us a playoff game)

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Quitting is a huge pet peeve of mine. I couldn't stand Jason Campbell, but the guy played hard. He didn't quit and did the best he could. It's why I can't stand guys like Randy Moss or Albert Haynesworth. Great talents that don't give it their all and quit when things don't go their way. For Santana to quit in the biggest game of his career was pathetic and it killed it for me. I can forgive a fumble, a drop pass, but quitting is where I draw the line. (especially when it costs us a playoff game)

I understand what you are saying but there is a common theme in a lot of your ideas. It's like listening to the Lavar and Dukes show sometimes, I know if there is a negative, no matter how small it is you will find it and focus solely on that. I could be wrong but that's just how it reads. I'm not saying that you have to feel like all is great but sometimes I wonder why you stick with the swuad at all. You're cool though but I always can guess where you are going to go with something. It's needed though,

Hail !