Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues

Ralph Nader, who's never received over 3% of the vote in a National election, and normally less than 1%. The anti-corporate champion who's a multi-millionaire.....based off contributions to his non-profits and stock portfolio, including over $ 1M in Cisco stock. As a network engineer I'm sure you're aware of Cisco's heavy-handed corporate practices to dominate the market.

Archive | December 4, 2000 | Ralph Nader, Philanthropist: Is the anti-corporate crusader funding his own nonprofit network?

Ralph Nader (3) | Personal Finance Disclosure | OpenSecrets

Business | Nader discloses finances; net worth $3.8 million | Seattle Times Newspaper

And one of Nader's first claims about the Corsair having a defective rear suspension and rolling over were proved false. The Corsair went out of production...but Nader made money on his book.

Corvair Handling and Stability

But the rest of us are blind.

saden...good call, right on point.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who is being slighted by the media? This guy for one.

Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues


I'll get back to you on the NC Gov/Senate.

Sorry the problem with Nader is the more people see him the more he drops in the poles.

[Chico23231]

Sexual harassment settlements: 'cost of doing business' - CNN.com

oh shit did someone lie about there not being a settlement?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sexual harassment settlements: 'cost of doing business' - CNN.com

oh shit did someone lie about there not being a settlement?

Good read. I am hopeful that this will largely blow over for Cain. Im with 12thman in that I think that this story more likely came from the GOP side then the Democrat’s side.

Regardless of what Cain did this whole thing stinks of a smear or “swiftboating” attack and I think most American’s are quickly feeling that way. Politico comes out with a story from about unnamed 3rd part sources that say Cain did something inappropriate and that they received 5 figure payouts. No names. No details on what he did. And no details on the payout which could be just a cost of doing business or indicative of an actual offense. Seriously sad journalism.

[Chico23231]

Well it sounds to me like a smear campaign, but you gotta be a complete and utter dumbass to lie about it and about the settlement. avoiding and lying about it further ignites the flames. Not to bright

[12thMan]

You're missing the point. In your previous post you said Obama had a poor record to run on. In your second you diminished some of the successes in our effort to fight terrorism under this Administration.

Basically you're falling into the same trap Republican candidates will find themselves in come next Fall when they debate the President. On one hand Obama deserves no credit for progress, but on the other hand where results are obvious it's in spite of Obama.

[saden1]

Yeah, this Cain story isn't going to go away.

Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to talk but is barred by agreement - The Washington Post

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You're missing the point. In your previous post you said Obama had a poor record to run on. In your second you diminished some of the successes in our effort to fight terrorism under this Administration.

Basically you're falling into the same trap Republican candidates will find themselves in come next Fall when they debate the President. On one hand Obama deserves no credit for progress, but on the other hand where results are obvious it's in spite of Obama.

Yeah. For all his failings (and I believe them to be numerous), and despite my philosophical difference with his method of gov., I just don't see anyone being discussed by the Republicans as someone who will garner enough support to beat him.

I see a second trap for non-incumbents created by the "Apathy of the Center" - On one hand the majority of people are moderate (slightly left and right of center and philosophically tied to traditional liberal democracy - little "l", little "d") but are tired of the same old, same old. As a result, they don't want candidates representing the more extreme elements of the Reps or Dems (think Tea Party/OWS; Libertarian/Socialist) but view other centerist candidates as just "Obama in Red". As a result, any candidate from the right differentiating themselves from Obama is faced with the risk of differentiating too much and being seen as representative of the fringe OR not differentiating enough and being seen as just more of the same but in Red.

Obama's approval rating may be low, but I don't see anyone from the Rep. Party stepping out as someone who won't be viewed by the center as "same sh**, just in Red instead of Blue". Ultimately, I see it as an election of "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".

For better or (more likely) for worse, I see four more years of Mr. Obama.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yeah. For all his failings (and I believe them to be numerous), and despite my philosophical difference with his method of gov., I just don't see anyone being discussed by the Republicans as someone who will garner enough support to beat him.

I see a second trap for non-incumbents created by the "Apathy of the Center" - On one hand the majority of people are moderate (slightly left and right of center and philosophically tied to traditional liberal democracy - little "l", little "d") but are tired of the same old, same old. As a result, they don't want candidates representing the more extreme elements of the Reps or Dems (think Tea Party/OWS; Libertarian/Socialist) but view other centerist candidates as just "Obama in Red". As a result, any candidate from the right differentiating themselves from Obama is faced with the risk of differentiating too much and being seen as representative of the fringe OR not differentiating enough and being seen as just more of the same but in Red.

Obama's approval rating may be low, but I don't see anyone from the Rep. Party stepping out as someone who won't be viewed by the center as "same sh**, just in Red instead of Blue". Ultimately, I see it as an election of "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".

For better or (more likely) for worse, I see four more years of Mr. Obama.

Truth is we like the devil we know when it comes to our elected officials. An even harder truth is we don't like too much change all at once. So by default, and at the end of the day, we feel more comfortable with the same old, same old. Most voters view candidates as radical or status quo, and we tend to like the latter.

Although Obama's poll numbers are starting to trend upwards over the past 30 days, I think it's immaterial right now considering the GOP has yet to choose their candidate. But what's troubling, if I'm a Republican voter, is that I've yet to hear a compelling reason why I should elect any of these guys to become president. Repealing Obamacare and kill the EPA just doesn't fly with most voters with all the other problems we're facing.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Truth is we like the devil we know when it comes to our elected officials. An even harder truth is we don't like too much change all at once. So by default, and at the end of the day, we feel more comfortable with the same old, same old. Most voters view candidates as radical or status quo, and we tend to like the latter.

Although Obama's poll numbers are starting to trend upwards over the past 30 days, I think it's immaterial right now considering the GOP has yet to choose their candidate. But what's troubling, if I'm a Republican voter, is that I've yet to hear a compelling reason why I should elect any of these guys to become president. Repealing Obamacare and kill the EPA just doesn't fly with most voters with all the other problems we're facing.

As a Republican voter, I would agree with this assessment.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Truth is we like the devil we know when it comes to our elected officials. An even harder truth is we don't like too much change all at once. So by default, and at the end of the day, we feel more comfortable with the same old, same old. Most voters view candidates as radical or status quo, and we tend to like the latter.

Although Obama's poll numbers are starting to trend upwards over the past 30 days, I think it's immaterial right now considering the GOP has yet to choose their candidate. But what's troubling, if I'm a Republican voter, is that I've yet to hear a compelling reason why I should elect any of these guys to become president. Repealing Obamacare and kill the EPA just doesn't fly with most voters with all the other problems we're facing.

While I agree with some of what you said its also less appealing to watch a pres spend 700 billion to creat jobs that never worked then tell us he needs another 500 billion to do what the 700 billion failed to do.

[Chico23231]

Funny thing bout this Cain story, its not the Dems who cooked this up. This is Karl Rove-like "McCain's fathered a black child" smear campaign in South Carolina. Gotta love that Karl Rove, class act.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Funny thing bout this Cain story, its not the Dems who cooked this up. This is Karl Rove-like "McCain's fathered a black child" smear campaign in South Carolina. Gotta love that Karl Rove, class act.

Yeah i think 12thman alluded to this eelier and i completely agree with you guys. I also agree with saden that i dont think this is going to go away anytime soon. However, apparently Cain had his biggest fundraising day in the wake of these allegations.

The biggest problem i have, which is the same as what you and Saden mentioned ealier, is that he denied that he knew about a payment..... Come on man. I know its embarrassing but the US people are probably one of the most forgiving group of people out there, except when it comes to lying to cover something up.

Ive never voted before but was seriously considering voting if Cain got the nomination. Although I wear a voting promise ring I had considered letting my guard down and letting go of my political abstinence for the temptation of fair, transparent and equal taxes. Perhaps my political promiscuity came to a end before it ever started. I hope that didn’t creep anyone out……

[saden1]

Is Rick Perry drunk? I really can't tell if he is or he's just trying to be funny and let lose.

[Chico23231]

Cain camp calls report of third harassment claim 'baseless' - CNN.com

This seems like something the Perry camp would do, fits his personally as a gutless, coward.